Pointers/Directional Cones

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Re: Pointers/Directional Cones

Postby George Schilling » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:23 pm

Steve Ekstrand wrote:My suggestion on the rule was more in regards to the pointer cone oversight that it seems most regions have failed to deal with. "Everybody knows"....

I hear you on the libertarian mantra, but I've been on the wrong end of clubs and event masters in this region whipping out the supps to twist an outcome to their agenda. It isn't pretty.


Like you, I haven't bothered to read the supp, but if it's just a matter of adding cone/pointer cone, I could support that. But you know how I hate rules. :P
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Re: Pointers/Directional Cones

Postby John Fendel » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:39 pm

I stopped and the course worker just stood there staring at me. Possibly newbie?


I made the call, as Event Chair, to allow the 4th run during the run group. If the run was not made we could not allow it or disallow it (disallow would be the only option). Then I asked for all the evidence to be presented. After I reviewed the case I made the call. The motor home made some incorrect statements over the P.A. and as we all know the announcer's words are not official.


It sounds like the correct procedures were followed, but a lot of uninformed discussion resulted from opinions about what people thought occurred. The driver did what he was supposed to do, stop and point problem to course worker. New worker didn't understand what was being pointed out to him. Driver then proceeded rather then pose a possible safety hazard for following drivers. Since safety is our primary objective, this was the correct action for the driver.
The event chair granted a provisional re-run based on the initial information. This allowed him the option of allowing the re-run or denying the re-run based on a more thorough review of the facts. The re-un was subsequently allowed.
So despite an inexperienced course worker, the event proceeded efficiently and safely, the incident was reviewed with all the facts in hand and the outcome was decided in an orderly manner. It did show that there is an item that needs to be added to the supp regs and this should be handled quickly.
If it weren't for the peripheral opinions/discussions, this wouldn't have turned in to a tempest in a teapot. It does show that people should refrain from expressing their opinions so quickly and wait to get all the facts.
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Re: Pointers/Directional Cones

Postby Steve Ekstrand » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:20 pm

I haven't seen this tempest in a teapot reaction anywhere? What am I missing?
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Re: Pointers/Directional Cones

Postby Michael Palero » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:17 am

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Re: Pointers/Directional Cones

Postby Rick Brown » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:10 pm

Doug Teulie wrote:
Rick Brown wrote:I agree, the provisional rerun should count.


Jonathan Lugod, ST Rerun approved for Sunday March 20th, 2011.

Run 3 marked as rerun, provisional run now counts (even though his fastest run was actually run 2 so no change in the results).
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Re: Pointers/Directional Cones

Postby Jonathan Lugod » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:07 pm

Rick Brown wrote:
Doug Teulie wrote:
Rick Brown wrote:I agree, the provisional rerun should count.


Jonathan Lugod, ST Rerun approved for Sunday March 20th, 2011.

Run 3 marked as rerun, provisional run now counts (even though his fastest run was actually run 2 so no change in the results).


my run 2 had a cone. 68.896+1 my provisional was a 69.121 (i think?) which puts me in 5th place for the event and my overall points changes as well. That is unless there was a cone during that run.
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Re: Pointers/Directional Cones

Postby Rick Brown » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:29 pm

Jonathan Lugod wrote:
Rick Brown wrote:
Doug Teulie wrote:
Jonathan Lugod, ST Rerun approved for Sunday March 20th, 2011.

Run 3 marked as rerun, provisional run now counts (even though his fastest run was actually run 2 so no change in the results).


my run 2 had a cone. 68.896+1 my provisional was a 69.121 (i think?) which puts me in 5th place for the event and my overall points changes as well. That is unless there was a cone during that run.

You're right, didn't notice the cone on your 2nd run. Just looking at the timing computer, haven't generated updated results yet.
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