2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

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2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby Doug Teulie » Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:50 pm

It looks like it is time to make an update to the SRs. Street class replaced Stock in 2014. The 2013 SRs did not get updated to reflect the changes. George Schilling asked me to start this thread. The 2015 events start in January and it would be nice to update the SRs before they start.
My understanding:
We are using the 2013 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS with updated 2014 PAX indexes and 2014 SCCA classes. Nothing was run incorrectly in 2014 but the SRs are out of date. 2015 may need more changes.

Below the text in red needs review:

APPENDIX C - CSCC Solo Regional Class PAX Indices

TRK (same as National ESP) 0.849
CSM (same as National SSM) 0.881
CST (CSM index x .980) 0.862
All RT (x stock class index) 0.980
HST (x stock class index, if on 140+ treadwear tires) 0.975

My understanding:
RT classes are listed however the RT class was dissolved by SCCA and replaced with Street in 2014. References to Stock Classes does not apply for 2014 and 2015. All Stock classes were changed to SSR + A-HSR for 2014 only. Only SSR will continue into 2015. A-HSR will no longer exists. Locally we created S1, S2 and S3 in 2014 for Street classes to run PAX. 2015 may have other changes??

2013 National Class PAX Indices (From http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/indexes/)
My understanding:
The PAX listings in the SRs are from 2013. The 2013 SRs did not get updated to reflect the 2014 changes. New 2015 PAX indexes are available.

SS 0.859 SSP 0.871 STF 0.795 XP 0.901
AS 0.847 ASP 0.866 STC 0.824 BP 0.878
BS 0.845 BSP 0.858 STS 0.829 CP 0.862
CS 0.834 CSP 0.861 STR 0.839 DP 0.874
DS 0.826 DSP 0.855 STX 0.827 EP 0.875
ES 0.828 ESP 0.849 STU 0.846 FP 0.877
FS 0.830 FSP 0.838 SM 0.867 GP 0.850
GS 0.816 SMF 0.852
HS 0.804 SSM 0.881
AM 1.000 KM 0.955
BM 0.962 JA 0.879
CM 0.910 JB 0.842
DM 0.918 JC 0.743
EM 0.928
FM 0.917
FSAE 0.989

My understanding:
The class listings in the 2013 SRs do not include some 2014 and or 2015 SCCA classes. All PAX figures are out of date.

APPENDIX A - 2013 CSCC SOLO REGIONAL COMPETITION CATEGORIES AND CLASSES
Historic 1 and 2:
All Stock Class cars running tires with a treadwear rating of 140 or higher will receive an additional PAX of .975 over their Stock Class PAX.
My understanding:
The intent of this was to allow Stock class cars to run on Street tires like SK and have an adjusted PAX index. Now that Street class has replaced Stock class (as of 2014) the wording is no longer needed because the Stock class was removed. Street class cars are not allowed to run on D.O.T. R-Comp tires. Street class has an index that reflects the TW adjustment. The only class that could be called Stock is now called SSR. If the text is not removed we should replace "Stock Classes" with "SSR Class."
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Re: 2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby Rick Brown » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:28 pm

The SR may not have been updated, but the timing computer was and will be.
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Re: 2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby George Schilling » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:50 pm

Thanks Doug.

This issues you raise have been addressed as Rick said. Sounds like a job for our new rules chairman to update the supp regs. Mike?

Were there any rules questions specific to Historic classes that need attention?
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Re: 2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby Doug Teulie » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:12 am

George Schilling wrote:Thanks Doug.

This issues you raise have been addressed as Rick said. Sounds like a job for our new rules chairman to update the supp regs. Mike?

Were there any rules questions specific to Historic classes that need attention?


George,
I listed everything I found in the first message. Lenard got confused when he looked at the SRs and the 2015 PAX indexes. I see why. I think Rick made all the appropriate registration, classing and scoring changes for 2014. Wording in the 2013 SRs references Stock Classes that were changed to Stock R for just 2014. Because Stock split to Stock R and Street all the wording in the SRs that references Stock Classes does not apply for 2014 and as far as I can tell it was not used. The same will be true for 2015. Historic has references to Stock Classes that is no longer appropriate as well. I think everything worked out this year but the SRs need to be revised.
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Re: 2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby George Schilling » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:33 am

Doug Teulie wrote:
George Schilling wrote:Thanks Doug.

This issues you raise have been addressed as Rick said. Sounds like a job for our new rules chairman to update the supp regs. Mike?

Were there any rules questions specific to Historic classes that need attention?


George,
I listed everything I found in the first message. Lenard got confused when he looked at the SRs and the 2015 PAX indexes. I see why. I think Rick made all the appropriate registration, classing and scoring changes for 2014. Wording in the 2013 SRs references Stock Classes that were changed to Stock R for just 2014. Because Stock split to Stock R and Street all the wording in the SRs that references Stock Classes does not apply for 2014 and 2015. Historic has references to Stock Classes that no longer apply as well. I think everything worked out this year but the SRs need to be revised.


Thanks Doug. I'll ask the rules chair to clean up that wording. Thank you for pointing it out.
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Re: 2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby Michael Palero » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:59 am

Thanks for the heads up. The Supplementary Regulations are being drafted. I expect completion 3 weeks prior to our first 2015 competition date.

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Re: 2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby John Fendel » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:35 am

Were there any rules questions specific to Historic classes that need attention?


While you are updating the SRs, Historic is now 2 classes, HST1 for 1968 and earlier cars and HST2 for 1969 and later cars.
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Re: 2015 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS changes??

Postby Ken Lord » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:57 am

I sent revised 2014 Supp Regs to Stephen and KJ in December of 2013. I had no way to post the changes. Mike, if you don't want to start from scratch send me an email at kenjlord at gmaildotcom and I will send you what I completed. The pax index would have to be changed. I also don't think I did anything with CAM.


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