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Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:03 pm
by David Barrish
I would like to add to the mix a request that 600 numbered cars not run in the first run group.

Having them out of the first group allows for a larger pool of instructors that are not being asked to give up their class runs for points. It also will limit the time differential of runs between point card holders and non point card holders in that first group.

The increased number of instructors will also help with providing a reinforcement of the course elements and provide feedback that could encourage a return to a future event.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:58 pm
by Anthony Porta
Well we no longer use only 600 numbers for new people as they are free to choose any number. But I thought we had added something about instructors being able to take an average for any event they instruct for the first group, limited to up to 3 events per year. That way they can still collect points and we can have at least 1 instructor available.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:09 am
by David Barrish
Anthony, then I would amend my request to "no non points cardholders in the first group". Looking at the event data that you have compiled is detailing "dnf's and cone counts", but attributed to who?

When Lenard is asking for first run instructors I do not remember seeing mention of the instructor ability to receive/take an "average", yet. But having more instruction and ride-a-long capacity could have a positive effect on lowering the frequency of what slows down our events.

We have a group of veterans that drive to the limit( and more), our events help them so they can maintain their edge. Non points card holders are at the other end of the scale, we should be doing a better job of having assets available to decrease the effect of their learning curve.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:32 am
by Leonard Cachola
Anthony Porta wrote:Well we no longer use only 600 numbers for new people as they are free to choose any number. But I thought we had added something about instructors being able to take an average for any event they instruct for the first group, limited to up to 3 events per year. That way they can still collect points and we can have at least 1 instructor available.


Is that written down somewhere? I remember it being proposed, but I don't remember it ever being voted on.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:43 am
by Anthony Porta
David Barrish wrote:
We have a group of veterans that drive to the limit( and more), our events help them so they can maintain their edge. Non points card holders are at the other end of the scale, we should be doing a better job of having assets available to decrease the effect of their learning curve.


100% !! I think our ability to offer driver quality development sets us apart from other Motorsports organisations. Im not sure what the answer could be, but generally grouping all the novices in one group leaves us with an entire work group of novices which could create safety issues and might slow down the event if their course working isnt up to par.

I also think more contact with people during their first few events makes it less scary and helping the mid pack people drop times will help keep them coming back for more.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:20 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
600 numbers wasn't just "noobs". It was ANY non-points cardholder. You could have a visiting SCCA Driver of Eminence given a 600 number.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:03 pm
by Anthony Porta
Some mention to it here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1DG2UykIhXQZHVRMk1WQW1NQ2M but only the $5 was voted on, so whatever is in the supps is whats on record.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:51 am
by Rick Brown
Leonard Cachola wrote:
Anthony Porta wrote:Well we no longer use only 600 numbers for new people as they are free to choose any number. But I thought we had added something about instructors being able to take an average for any event they instruct for the first group, limited to up to 3 events per year. That way they can still collect points and we can have at least 1 instructor available.


Is that written down somewhere? I remember it being proposed, but I don't remember it ever being voted on.

Pretty sure that was never approved, I sure wouldn't have voted for it. Non-points card holders have a choice of 600 or we added the 1000 series to accommodate people with existing numbers for their cars by adding just a 1. I'm sure Christine would also be against it since it messes up her points keeping. If you notice, the year end results are full of numbers with no names.

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:04 am
by Anthony Porta
Rick Brown wrote:
Leonard Cachola wrote:
Anthony Porta wrote:Well we no longer use only 600 numbers for new people as they are free to choose any number. But I thought we had added something about instructors being able to take an average for any event they instruct for the first group, limited to up to 3 events per year. That way they can still collect points and we can have at least 1 instructor available.


Is that written down somewhere? I remember it being proposed, but I don't remember it ever being voted on.

Pretty sure that was never approved, I sure wouldn't have voted for it. Non-points card holders have a choice of 600 or we added the 1000 series to accommodate people with existing numbers for their cars by adding just a 1. I'm sure Christine would also be against it since it messes up her points keeping. If you notice, the year end results are full of numbers with no names.


If we did like 20 a day, we could go through all the non-600 numbers on MSR and make them "Place holders".

Re: Event Format, going forward.

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:14 am
by Leonard Cachola
Rick Brown wrote:
Leonard Cachola wrote:
Anthony Porta wrote:But I thought we had added something about instructors being able to take an average for any event they instruct for the first group, limited to up to 3 events per year. That way they can still collect points and we can have at least 1 instructor available.


Is that written down somewhere? I remember it being proposed, but I don't remember it ever being voted on.

Pretty sure that was never approved, I sure wouldn't have voted for it. Non-points card holders have a choice of 600 or we added the 1000 series to accommodate people with existing numbers for their cars by adding just a 1. I'm sure Christine would also be against it since it messes up her points keeping. If you notice, the year end results are full of numbers with no names.


I was referring to the instructor change.