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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Rick Brown » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:30 am

KJ Christopher wrote:
Art Rinner wrote:Is an electric powered car legal for AM?

Nothing in the rules prevents it.

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Postby Art Rinner » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:49 pm

KJ Christopher wrote:
Art Rinner wrote:Is an electric powered car legal for AM?

Nothing in the rules prevents it.

The rules do discuss engines and what is allowable. There is no mention of Electric Motors.
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby KJ Christopher » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:59 am

Art Rinner wrote:
KJ Christopher wrote:
Art Rinner wrote:Is an electric powered car legal for AM?

Nothing in the rules prevents it.

The rules do discuss engines and what is allowable. There is no mention of Electric Motors.

Remember, A Mod is a list of restrictions, not allowances. Do what ever you want that doesn't violate the restrictions.
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Cars not otherwise classified which meet the following minimum specifications are considered as Specials and are assigned to Modified class A (AM).

A. Bodywork
1. Must be made of metal, fiberglass, or other suitable fire resistant materials. The sides, front, and back of the cockpit area must be at least as high as the driver’s waist.
2. Full and unobstructed access to the driver’s seat must be provided.
3. Firewall and floor shall prevent the passage of flame and debris to the driver’s compartment. Belly pans shall be vented to prevent the accumulation of liquids.
4. Fenders are optional and design of same is free. Sharp edges are not allowed.
5. Minimum of one seat, capable of supporting the driver in an upright or semi-reclining position is required. Location of the driver’s seat is unrestricted.

B. Chassis
1. May be of any construction deemed safe.
2. Minimum wheelbase is 72.0” (182.88 cm).
3. Minimum track is 42.0” (106.68 cm) front & rear.
4. Minimum wheel diameter is 10”.
5. All four wheels will be sprung from the chassis.
6. Brakes must conform to those specifications listed in Section 3.3.3.B.12. The brakes shall be a dual system, arranged in a manner to provide braking for at least two wheels in the event of failure in part of the system.
7. A roll bar conforming to Appendix C is required.
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11. No aerodynamic device may extend more than 66.0” (167.64 cm) above the ground.
12. The total area of all wings shall not exceed 20 sq. ft. (129.03 cm2), computed as previously described in Section 18.0, Modified Category, “Aerodynamics.”
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby ralphlewis » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:55 pm

1973 240z, 1981 280 engine, dual Webers, rear disk brake upgrade

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Postby Rick Brown » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:49 pm

ralphlewis wrote:1973 240z, 1981 280 engine, dual Webers, rear disk brake upgrade

BSP, assuming the engine internals are stock.
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Matt Davis » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:26 pm

Not sure exactly which class my car fits in but I think its SMF, I have a long mod list

2004 Pontiac Vibe Front wheel drive
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Adam Tarnoff » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:38 pm

Matt Davis wrote:Not sure exactly which class my car fits in but I think its SMF, I have a long mod list

2004 Pontiac Vibe Front wheel drive
Super Charger (low boost)
Polyurethane bushings and motor mounts
Strut tower braces front an rear
Larger front sway bar
Larger rear sway bar plus a second lower sway bar
Coilovers
Bridgestone Potenza RE11 tires
17in wheels
Long Tube headers
91 octane


In National classing that puts you in SMF at a minimum, maybe Prepared. However, locally we have a class called CST, California Street Touring, in which the only rules for competition is having the car registered in the state of California and having 140 or higher TW tires. It's a good class to learn the sport in and figure out the whole cone dodging thing :D
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Matt Davis » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:19 pm

I would like to do national classing, but if i do that does that mean i have to attend more then just the CSCC events then?
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Rick Brown » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:29 pm

Matt Davis wrote:I would like to do national classing, but if i do that does that mean i have to attend more then just the CSCC events then?

You can run in any class you are qualified for.
Attending National events is purely optional, unless your goal is to go Nationals in September, then some prior National level event participation is needed.
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Postby Jeff Stuart » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:11 am

Rick Brown wrote:
Matt Davis wrote:I would like to do national classing, but if i do that does that mean i have to attend more then just the CSCC events then?

You can run in any class you are qualified for.
Attending National events is purely optional, unless your goal is to go Nationals in September, then some prior National level event participation is needed.


I thought this was no longer the case?

As of a year or two ago, I believe you can go to nationals without any prior national level event participation.

Anyone know for sure? I couldn't find anything about such a registration requirment in last year's nationals supps (which I happen to have saved on my phone still).

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Postby Justin Erickson » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:52 am

Has SCCA announced what class the Focus RS will be in? I would presume it'll be classed with the STi in D Street, but with as little as I still know about this sport I could be wrong.
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Postby Sebastian Rios » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:46 am

STi is in B-Street, regular WRX is in D-Street...
The RS has not been classed yet, but I would guess B-street with the STEvos.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Shawn Fineout » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:57 am

Option package conversions may be performed between specific vehicles
of a particular make and model, but only between configurations from
within a particular model year. Such conversions must be totally complete
and the resultant car must meet all requirements of this Section. These requirements
are not met by simply pulling a fuse to disable a feature which
distinguishes one model from another

Can I swap just the OEM brakes or just the OEM LSD from a performance pack GTI to my non performance pack or do I need to do both plus the ecu difference to stay in G-Street?
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Postby Sebastian Rios » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:42 pm

You would have to make your GTI exactly like the performance pack version. If it has a different ECU, that would need to be swapped as well.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby RobertWarrenHess » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:37 pm

Hi,

I'm just starting with autocross.

I have a 2010 MX-5 PHRT that is completely stock, and I plan to run it that way.

What class am I in? I'd like to compete in the March 19, 2016 event at El Toro.

Thank you!

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Postby Leonard Cachola » Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:37 pm

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Rick Brown » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:25 pm

RobertWarrenHess wrote:Hi,

I'm just starting with autocross.

I have a 2010 MX-5 PHRT that is completely stock, and I plan to run it that way.

What class am I in? I'd like to compete in the March 19, 2016 event at El Toro.

Thank you!

Hi Robert, welcome aboard! Some info you should be aware of for the upcoming event weekend:

March 19 is a Saturday practice event with limited entries, and it is right before the SCCA ProSolo so it is heavily subscribed by those preparing to compete at the Pro. There is a priority system in effect, generally giving priority to those planning on running in the Pro. You are still welcome to sign up on http://www.solo2.MotorsportReg.com, just saying this particular event is harder to make the cut on. Also car classes are not used on practice days. On Sunday, however, there is no limit on entries and it is our regular class competition. In addition, Sunday events have some features specifically geared to new drivers.
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby silvio zucchet » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:14 pm

so I just got a fiesta st which is h-street. The factory tires are 140tw so that puts me out of h-street so where do i go? i thing cst is also 200 tw right? im cheap and dont want to buy tires for a car that has less than 300 mi on it
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Postby Jeff Stuart » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:47 pm

silvio zucchet wrote:so I just got a fiesta st which is h-street. The factory tires are 140tw so that puts me out of h-street so where do i go? i thing cst is also 200 tw right? im cheap and dont want to buy tires for a car that has less than 300 mi on it


Solo rules, section 13.C.1:

C. Other
1. Any tire which is OE on a car eligible for Street Category may be used
on that car in Regional Solo® events. OE tires must meet all requirements
of Section 13.3 to be eligible for National Solo® events.


Which is to say, you can use them locally per the rules, but not at the upcoming "national level" events.

Out of curiosity, what tires did it come with?

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Postby silvio zucchet » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:01 pm

C. Other
1. Any tire which is OE on a car eligible for Street Category may be used
on that car in Regional Solo® events. OE tires must meet all requirements
of Section 13.3 to be eligible for National Solo® events.


Which is to say, you can use them locally per the rules, but not at the upcoming "national level" events.

Out of curiosity, what tires did it come with?[/quote]


thank you! it looks like ill need tires soon then.

It came with bridgestone re050a, I was so surprised when I noticed they where 140tw
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Eddie Atherton » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:38 pm

Hi all,

I just did the SCCA Starting Line school in San Diego and am itching to try a "real" course. So I guess I need to know which class my car, a 2007 Lotus Exige S, fits in.

It currently has a KoldFire 270 tune loaded, but I also have an original ECU that I can swap in if necessary.

The only other mod, that I know of, is the exhaust is a Larini Club Sport.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Robert Puertas » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:43 pm

Eddie,
What tires are you running?

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Eddie Atherton » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:11 pm

OE Advan A048.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Robert Puertas » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:38 pm

The Exige S is classified in SSP.
A tune is ok in this class, but you need to run the stock pulley.

Changing the pulley bumps you up to SSM.

If you had >140 treadware tires you could run it in CST locally. Our run-what-you-brung class for street tires.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Eddie Atherton » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:45 pm

Many thanks for clarifying Robert.

I'm guessing that from your comment about CST and reading the CSCC Supplement, that I could also run in CSM with the Advan's.

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