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SK* classes and new national road tire classes

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Long, rambling post incoming. Hope someone finds it interesting or thought provoking. :mrgreen:

Many of us know that SCCA is offering supplemental indexed road tire classes at national events this year. The organization of the classes is different, however, than our local SK* supplemental street tire classes. Here's how it breaks down:

Cal Club SK*:
SK1: SS, AS, BS, FS
SK2: CS, DS, ES, GS, HS

ProSolo events:
RT: All stock classes

Nationals and national tour events:
RTR: RWD vehicles in all stock classes
RTF: FWD vehicles in all stock classes
RTA: AWD vehicles in all stock classes

Even though the class organization is different, all of these classes use the applicable stock PAX/RTP index. (Cal Club multiplies the PAX by 0.98 when integrating into the overall event PAX results, but this does not effect placing within the SK* classes).

The differences in these classes got me thinking about how things will play out at national events. Our local SK* classes are divided roughly by engine power (although there are some exceptions, like the Elise). SS, AS, BS and FS are the big boys and CS, DS, ES, GS, and HS have the nice, sedate sunday drivers. ;) But at the national events (except ProSolo), the mix will be different. MX-5s, S2000s, Vettes and Camaros will all play together. Minis, Acurondas, and VWs get their own sandbox. And the Subies and Audis get to eat paste in the corner by themselves. }:) At the ProSolo, it's every man (or woman) for themselves.

I looked at the PAX results for our local SK* classes for the past 6 months. I wondered how things would shake out if things had been classed similar to the new national supplemental classes. Let's consider the ProSolo single RT class since that's simple and I'm lazy. Does SK1 have an advantage over SK2 or vice versa? Here's the raw data showing PAX order by car class:

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Sep-11      Oct-11       Nov-11     Dec-11      Jan-12      Feb-12
SK2CS       SK1SS        SK2CS      SK2CS       SK2DS       SK1BS 
SK1BS       SK1BS        SK2CS      SK1BS       SK1SS       SK2DS 
SK2DS       SK2CS        SK1SS      SK2CS       SK1BS       SK2DS 
SK2CS       SK2DS        SK2DS      SK2DS       SK2CS       SK1BS 
SK1BS       SK2CS        SK1SS      SK1SS       SK1BS       SK2CS 
SK1SS       SK1SS        SK1BS      SK1BS       SK1BS       SK2DS 
SK1SS       SK1BS        SK2CS      SK2DS       SK1SS       SK2CS 
SK2CS       SK1BS        SK1BS      SK1BS       SK1BS       SK1BS 
SK1BS       SK1BS        SK1BS      SK2CS       SK2CS       SK2CS 
SK2CS       SK1SS        SK1BS      SK2GS       SK1BS       SK2CS 
SK2ES       SK2DS        SK1SS      SK1SS       SK1AS       SK1BS 
SK1SS       SK2CS        SK2DS      SK1BS       SK2DS       SK2GS 
SK2DS       SK2ES        SK2GS      SK1SS       SK2CS       SK1BS 
            SK2ES        SK2CS      SK1BS       SK1BS       SK1BS 
            SK2ES        SK2ES      SK2CS       SK1AS       SK1BS 
                         SK1AS      SK1AS       SK1SS       SK1BS 
                         SK1FS      SK2GS       SK2CS       SK1SS 
                         SK1AS      SK2ES       SK2HS       SK2HS 
                                    SK2CS       SK1SS       SK2DS 
                                    SK2GS                   SK2DS 
                                    SK2ES		
                                    SK2CS		
                                    SK1SS		
                                    SK1AS 		
                                    SK1SS		
Side note: 25 street tire entries in December?! Wow!

At first glance it looks like there's no clear favorite. SK1 and SK2 are mixed together pretty well in the PAX results. But how about some statistics? Everyone loves statistics, right?!?!

Out of 6 events:

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                       SK1       SK2
                       ---       ---
Total first place:      2         4
Total second place:     4         2
Total third place:      2         4

Total top 5:           13        17
Total top 10:          32        28

Avg top 5 per event:   2.2       2.8
Avg top 10 per event:  5.3       4.7

Total entries:         56        54
(all 6 events combined)
So what does this tell us? Well, I'll describe what it tells me... chances are it will say different things to different people. Lies, damned lies and statistics, right?

First of all, the total entries over the 6 events for SK1 and SK2 are virtually identical (56/54). So we can look at the placing data and do a pretty direct comparison. If there had been way more of one class than the other, you'd have to take that into account when considering how many of each class placed in the top 5, top 10, etc.

Second of all, although initially you would be inclined to say that SK2 actually has a slight advantage, I tend to think that the relative performance between the two classes is pretty comparable. SK2 has more winners, and more in the top 3 than SK1, but the difference between 2-and-4 and 3-and-3 is certainly within the uncertainty margin for this sample size. The same with the top 5 and top 10... you'd expect if SK1 and SK2 were exactly equally matched, they'd each have 2.5 in the top 5 and 5 in the top 10. Well, the split is 2.2/2.8 in the top 5 and 5.3/4.7 in the top 10. I would say that's within spitting distance of 2.5/2.5 and 5/5, with the differences just due to sampling error.

So, what these numbers tell me is that SK1 and SK2, when put head to head in indexed PAX results, get pretty comparable times, and the PAX/RTP weights don't seem to favor SK1 cars over SK2 cars or vice versa. This bodes well for the nationals supplemental classes, where all of the stock classes are lumped together, whether in a single overall class (ProSolo) or divvied up by drive axle.
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Interesting analysis, Davin. Now get back to work!

Seriously, from the early entries it looks like you RTR peeps will have a pretty strong class. But I may be the one eating glue in the corner by myself.
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Another thing to note is that the drive-train split works out better in terms of fairness when weather is a factor. AWD/FWD cars fair a lot better in the rain than RWD cars.
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Kurt Rahn wrote:Seriously, from the early entries it looks like you RTR peeps will have a pretty strong class. But I may be the one eating glue in the corner by myself.
ProSolo will be fine, but yes, I did notice you're all by your lonesome in the SD tour signups right now. It's nowhere near full right now, so hopefully you'll get more competition as the date gets closer. I can't find the national tour supplementals at the moment, so I'm not sure what bumping order there may be for the RT* classes. Also, there are zero entries at the moment in RTA.
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Davin Swanson wrote:
Kurt Rahn wrote:Seriously, from the early entries it looks like you RTR peeps will have a pretty strong class. But I may be the one eating glue in the corner by myself.
ProSolo will be fine, but yes, I did notice you're all by your lonesome in the SD tour signups right now. It's nowhere near full right now, so hopefully you'll get more competition as the date gets closer. I can't find the national tour supplementals at the moment, so I'm not sure what bumping order there may be for the RT* classes. Also, there are zero entries at the moment in RTA.
For National Tours, there's no bumping. If there is only 1 entrant in the class, he/she will run by him/herself. If I run SD tour, I would be by myself in RTA too.
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Well I hope you guys aren't forced to play with yourselves. :mrgreen:
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Tours don't bump, only Pro's do. If you a class of one, your a class of one.
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If you a class of one, your a class of one.
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I've got two months...hoping a few people step up.
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Saw that. It's dead on too. And with news that RT* will get to run in the finale and at nationals, looks like I'll be doing Lincoln twice this year.
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Kurt Rahn wrote: Saw that. It's dead on too. And with news that RT* will get to run in the finale and at nationals, looks like I'll be doing Lincoln twice this year.
Looks like I'm going to need a car to drive in Lincoln for Nats.
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I know where there's a car, but I need to find the time and money (mainly money) to get it there.

Too bad the Nationals / Pro Solo finals don't move around the country...
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Steve Lepper wrote:I know where there's a car, but I need to find the time and money (mainly money) to get it there.

Too bad the Nationals / Pro Solo finals don't move around the country...
They do, over the years... but unfortunately like most of us, it just relocates around the middle portion :lol: :lol: :lol:
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