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CAM Class Added

Postby Rick Brown » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:34 pm

In keeping with our desire to offer all regular and provisional SCCA classes, we have added CAM (Classic American Muscle).

The definition from SCCA Rules:
The purpose of CAM is to attract automobile enthusiasts to SCCA® who are currently interested in and/or participating in the Goodguys® Autocross events or other similar events for “classic” vehicles (e.g., Street Machine, Muscle Car, Hot Rod, Truck, Street Car, Late Model, etc.) built in North America by manufacturers based in the US (e.g., “The Big Three” – GM, Ford, and Chrysler). These avid enthusiasts would largely be a new and different group of folks to join with us as SCCA® members and participants.

However, many of these types of cars may not have a favorable classification at their local SCCA® Solo® events. By having a simple, single set of rules used across the country, these new autocross enthusiasts would be able to participate in multiple Regional Solo® events with a more consistent experience. Additionally, this gives SCCA® and the Solo® Events Board an opportunity to see the viability of this type of participation at all levels of Solo® events. Therefore, Regions are encouraged to offer this program and to encourage Classic American Muscle car enthusiasts to join the fun at your SCCA Solo® events


Preparation details are available in the 2014 Solo Rules Book, Appendix B (page 257). Rules Link
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby joseph daniello » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:00 am

Yeah!!! Thank you!

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Richard Jung » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:29 am

Nice!
We may want to put a year limit at some time, like the SD region uses. Maybe we can get some of their CAM folks to run up here also.

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Brian Kelly » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:01 am

Agreed on the year limit, and if not that, then a simple exclusion list would be nice. Just something to keep the newer 'Vettes, Mustangs, and others from running away with the class.
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Rick Brown » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:51 am

It's written up so that the region can add extra rules or divide into more classes or whatever it takes to make it work for the locals.

Get busy Ekstrand.
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Bill Schenker » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:19 pm

Are '99 Miatas eligible?
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Ed Holley » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:33 pm

Bill Schenker wrote:Are '99 Miatas eligible?

What is it about "American Muscle" that you don't understand? :)
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Kurt Rahn » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:14 pm

Ed Holley wrote:
Bill Schenker wrote:Are '99 Miatas eligible?

What is it about "American Muscle" that you don't understand? :)

What is it about muscle in general that you don't understand? :lol:
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Rick Brown » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:12 pm

Bill Schenker wrote:Are '99 Miatas eligible?

Put a hemi in the van and you could use that.

Or find the car you drove in Hunter.
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Robert Puertas » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:30 pm

Whats the magic date?
'71?
'74?
'78?

Seems like you want to keep out the C4 Corvette and the 3rd gen Camaro…
What about the fox body Mustang?

Or just eliminate anything that came from the factory with ABS?

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Adam Tarnoff » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:24 pm

Robert Puertas wrote:Whats the magic date?
'71?
'74?
'78?

Seems like you want to keep out the C4 Corvette and the 3rd gen Camaro…
What about the fox body Mustang?

Or just eliminate anything that came from the factory with ABS?



Generally, people don't consider the 3rd generation F-body OR C4 to be "classic" american cars.
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Steve Ekstrand » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:59 pm

I've seen some groups use 1982 or later.

Is 83 the first C4?

Without a date you just go buy a new Stingray, no? Or would a Ford GT be better? Viper SRT or Competition Coupe?

I got excited at first, but I don't know how you beat vettes with pony cars. They are finding that out at Good Guys if Popp or Hobaugh have their vettes its over for the ponies.

With a 3000lbs minimum that knocks out the competitors like a full tilt SVO turbo Pinto at 2500lbs. Or my dream of a 2600lbs SRT-4 powered Barracuda with IRS.
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Will Kalman » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Steve Ekstrand wrote:With a 3000lbs minimum that knocks out the competitors like a full tilt SVO turbo Pinto at 2500lbs. Or my dream of a 2600lbs SRT-4 powered Barracuda with IRS.


Unless ballast is allowed. Very strategically placed ballast.

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Adam Tarnoff » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Steve Ekstrand wrote:I've seen some groups use 1982 or later.

Is 83 the first C4?

Without a date you just go buy a new Stingray, no? Or would a Ford GT be better? Viper SRT or Competition Coupe?

I got excited at first, but I don't know how you beat vettes with pony cars. They are finding that out at Good Guys if Popp or Hobaugh have their vettes its over for the ponies.

With a 3000lbs minimum that knocks out the competitors like a full tilt SVO turbo Pinto at 2500lbs.



I may be mistaken but I believe 83' was the release year, but they called it a 84'.

I wonder how much faster Hobaugh is in his Vette vs. his Camaro all things being equal (track surface, layout, tires)
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Jason Rhoades » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:28 pm

In case you guys haven't heard, bringing a legal car, with the goal of winning, is considered unsportsmanlike behavior in CAM.

http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/1039 ... ost1052057

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Will Kalman » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:00 pm

From that link:
Even if you didn't have the model / year rule, there is nothing wrong with doing that. Just because the car may be "legal" for the class, Region officials have every right ask members to behave with good sportsmanship and not trophy raid a class just because they can. If the member wants to be a jerk about it, they can be asked to go away until they can exhibit good sportsmanship.


Wow, that's really going to work towards goodwill - your car is legal unless - and until - we don't like it and you hurt our feelings by making us feel inadequate, then you're out. Way for them to go back to being 1969 high-school punks.

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Richard Jung » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:05 am

Robert Puertas wrote:Whats the magic date?
'71?
'74?
'78?

Seems like you want to keep out the C4 Corvette and the 3rd gen Camaro…
What about the fox body Mustang?

Or just eliminate anything that came from the factory with ABS?


The rule set was based on the Good Guys events, which have a '72 limit. I think '77? would be more reasonable. SD had discussions about the CAM class, and I believe they have a no ABS rule. I think I read where other regions were considering a second CAM2 class to include late models like current ESP, SSM, ASP, SS cars.

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Richard Jung » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:15 am

Adam Tarnoff wrote:...I wonder how much faster Hobaugh is in his Vette vs. his Camaro all things being equal (track surface, layout, tires)


I read that Brian Hobaugh thought his Camaro was faster, except on super tight courses. Good Guys events are super small and tight, they shoot for 35mph, instead of our 60mph. Helmets are not required.
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Michael Sullivan » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:12 am

Time to build my Dart. New hemi and rack-and-pinion.....
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Steve Abbott » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:54 pm

The last Championship we had 167 timed entries. I think we should have 167 classes. Just keep adding classes and eventually you'll win one. Let's also add age brackets, married, single, kids and your income. :D

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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Bill Schenker » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:10 pm

Steve Abbott wrote:The last Championship we had 167 timed entries. I think we should have 167 classes. Just keep adding classes and eventually you'll win one. Let's also add age brackets, married, single, kids and your income. :D


Pool Boy Class too, Steve? :mrgreen:
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Gary Thomason » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:10 pm

Steve Abbott wrote:The last Championship we had 167 timed entries. I think we should have 167 classes. Just keep adding classes and eventually you'll win one. Let's also add age brackets, married, single, kids and your income. :D


Steve, Although you are absolutely, positively correct in the above statement, it is still an interesting post considering your choice of class for the upcoming Tour.... }:)
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Leonard Cachola » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:12 am

Steve Abbott wrote:The last Championship we had 167 timed entries. I think we should have 167 classes. Just keep adding classes and eventually you'll win one. Let's also add age brackets, married, single, kids and your income. :D


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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Rick Brown » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:27 am

Over thinking this me thinks. Old muscle car equivalent of CSM/CST. Heads up run what ya got.
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Re: CAM Class Added

Postby Bill Martin » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:05 am

I'm always skeptical of adding yet another new class. But I just looked at the last San Diego results. It's already a big class and does not seem to be built from cross-overs from other classes.

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