Membership Poll...How long is too long?

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At what point do you not come to Autocross Sunday because the total time commitment is too long?

Poll ended at Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:30 pm

4 hours on site
1
3%
5 hours on site
2
6%
6 hours on site
5
14%
7 hours on site
1
3%
8 hours on site
2
6%
9 hours on site
0
No votes
10 hours on site
0
No votes
Nothing will keep me away
19
53%
Let's go back to how it was
6
17%
Cut back to three runs to reduce the overall time commitment and keep the December format
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 36

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Anthony Porta
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Re: Membership Poll...How long is too long?

Postby Anthony Porta » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:25 am

Just tossing out a wild idea which hasnt been thoroughly tested.

We could have 3 runs in the am for a lower cost and a second session in the afternoon like the practice or x runs for an additional cost. That way those competing wouldnt have to stay and those just wanting practice could come in the afternoon. As treasurer I would want the afternoon runs pre-paid without walk ups. As an event master I would want to limit those entries based on our average pre-reg numbers. As a timer/computer person I would be relieved not to have to track runs/cones in the PM groups

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George Schilling
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Re: Membership Poll...How long is too long?

Postby George Schilling » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:28 pm

Anthony Porta wrote:Just tossing out a wild idea which hasnt been thoroughly tested.

We could have 3 runs in the am for a lower cost and a second session in the afternoon like the practice or x runs for an additional cost. That way those competing wouldnt have to stay and those just wanting practice could come in the afternoon. As treasurer I would want the afternoon runs pre-paid without walk ups. As an event master I would want to limit those entries based on our average pre-reg numbers. As a timer/computer person I would be relieved not to have to track runs/cones in the PM groups

Seems like I saw a similar suggestion from a previous post. Not fully thought through, but separating serious competition from those looking for fun only seems seems like it may work. And if those fun runs have any value, giving them away under the December format makes zero sense. The idea of no walk-ups is unwise. While we may not be able to accommodate all walk-ups, prohibiting them is a death wish and will obviously lead to fewer attendees overall. So here's a re-post of something I suggested when the December format was originally suggested.

George Schilling wrote:
Whoa! Not that easy Anthony. Here are some of the changes I would suggest to make this work smoothly.

1. Require online registration to run in the morning groups so groups can be balanced in advance using actual numbers. Those who do not cancel by the close of registration will be charged and will not receive a refund or credit whether they attend or not. The early registration offer can go away as early registration would no longer be a factor. One exception - those competing for points who have did not register online can still compete subject to a $25 walk-up penalty. This will virtually eliminate walk-ups affecting the previously balanced groups.
2. Walk-up and X runs will run in the afternoon.
3. No-work X runs are no longer offered. X runs are still discounted to encourage afternoon participation.
4. Afternoon X runs and TO use a practice format. Time slips only. Same number of runs as morning groups. PM runs will be lowered to $30 encourage participation.
5. Onsite registration and tech hours will not change and may need to be extended to 1pm depending on anticipated attendance. Closing registration early would be a death knell for encouraging noobs and afternoon participation.
6. Requires two full sized pre-grids able to hold 36 cars each. Chevron style is more efficient but not required.

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Re: Membership Poll...How long is too long?

Postby Paul Molina » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:18 am

Anthony Porta wrote:Just tossing out a wild idea which hasnt been thoroughly tested.

We could have 3 runs in the am for a lower cost and a second session in the afternoon like the practice or x runs for an additional cost. That way those competing wouldnt have to stay and those just wanting practice could come in the afternoon. As treasurer I would want the afternoon runs pre-paid without walk ups. As an event master I would want to limit those entries based on our average pre-reg numbers. As a timer/computer person I would be relieved not to have to track runs/cones in the PM groups


For myself just 3 competition runs wouldn't be worth it, even if it was a lower cost, if anything I would like to have more race runs on Sunday?
If I didn't do Saturday practice, then I would consider doing Sunday fun runs but for me I don't want to burn up a set of tires every 2 months
I liked December's format, get all the competition runs done first, with 2 grids and hot change over, and then open the course for fun runs in the afternoon.
Just my .02
Paul

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Danielle Gilbert
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Re: Membership Poll...How long is too long?

Postby Danielle Gilbert » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:00 pm

George Schilling wrote: If we cut back to three runs on Sunday so we could get you out earlier, would you consider attending? Or would you be more likely to attend with four runs delivered in a timely manner?


As a novice, realistically at least my first two runs will be pretty slow as I learn the course and practice my lines, braking plan, etc. So I'm happy to have four to have maybe one shot at a good run. :) That's why the practice in the morning/compete in the afternoon idea is so attractive to me, but I understand that it might not work for timing and other event management considerations.

It may not be true for everyone, but for me, driving to/from the event and going at all is the commitment, so I'd like to get the most I can from the day. So making it shorter so I could be done earlier actually makes it less attractive, since my return on the investment of both getting to/from the event and the opportunity cost (can't do anything else) is that much lower.


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