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I don't know if anyone has been watching F1 this year, but despite Red Bull's domination in the first two races, it's been WAY more entertaining. And today's race was absolutely amazing. Six race leaders, absolutely crazy amounts of passing and Webber pulling a Schumi-esque 18th to third. WOW!

F1 is no longer a snoozefest. Who knew all it would take is really crappy tires, DRS and KERS redux?
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I just watched it (DVR) and it was the best so far this year.

Funny when Button pulled into Vettel's box.

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Might have cost him the position that he SHOULD have ended up with!
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Is it true these Pirelli's are rebranded Falken RT-615's?
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It has indeed been a good season so far despite Vettel's near-domination. "Lousy" tires are a big part of it as they demand something of the driver to get it right. Despite those who think that F1 should be all about maximum speed, I think that perfect cars running perfect laps is boring and not racing so much as perfected repetition and planning.

I've noticed a couple odd things in the last couple races:

1) Did anything come of the car (Ferrari, I think?) that was caught on TV with the DRS deployed in a non-DRS-legal area?

2) In the last race I saw a car using it down the front straight until the "battery" icon was depleted, then when crossing the start/finish line, the battery was immediately "full"? Wouldn't it have required a braking event to recharge it? I figure that the answer is that the icon doesn't show the state of charge but the authorization to use it and depletes as a unit of application time just for TV show.

I'd like to see KERS get much larger and less restricted to the point where it becomes a major strategic element of a lap in addition to tire management, etc. I also really like that it's leading the charge to real road-car applicability for the next generation of cars. Already there have been technical advancements, for example low-drag vacuum seals for flywheel-based systems.
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i didn't hear anything about penalty for Alonso's DRS deploying at the disallowed area.. which kinda falls in line with Massa not getting penalized for crossing the pit exit line either. Massa's deal was pretty innocuous, but it kinda goes to beg the question, just who decides what rules to enforce - and to what degree? who was the "pro" that was serving with the FIA stewards this past weekend? i didn't catch it. i would laugh if it was a former Ferrari driver }:)

the crappy tire situation certainly makes things interesting, and I don't mean the drastic falloff. the falloff is interesting, just seeing who has the better strategery, making the best use of them. It was funny that Button, the tire management specialist, couldn't get jack out of the options.

no, what I mean by "crappy tire situation" is the total lack of rubbering in, and the massive klag that's ALL OVER the track. they make these gadgets to make passing easier, but at the same time, you throw in all the OPR offline, and you end up with people getting screwed if they try to pass but can't make it stick, because after the first corner, you are at a severe disadvantage with OPR all over your tires. I guess it's good for the over/under moves, but kinda artificial, IMO.
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Will Kalman wrote: 1) Did anything come of the car (Ferrari, I think?) that was caught on TV with the DRS deployed in a non-DRS-legal area?
The FIA have launched an investigation into why Fernando Alonso's adjustable rear wing was activated outside the prescribed zone.

Formula One introduced the adjustable rear wing, or Drag Reduction System (DRS), at the start of this season to great applause.

But, Sunday's Chinese GP saw its first error.

The DRS is "enabled electronically by systems operated by the FIA" with drivers needing to be within one second of the car in front and within the activation zone.

In China, that zone started 750 metres before the hairpin at the end of the main straight and basically ended with the hairpin.

However, Alonso was seen with his adjustable rear wing activated after the hairpin, prompting some fans to question why the Spaniard wasn't penalised.

According to the BBC, the error came when Alonso's wing was enabled "300m before the end of the straight", instead of the 750m.

That meant it was still active when the Ferrari driver headed towards the final corner.

And because he "gained no advantage from the situation - in fact it actually caused him a disadvantage - so was given no penalty."

The Beeb added that the FIA are investigating the error.
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Jeff Shyu wrote:i didn't hear anything about penalty for Alonso's DRS deploying at the disallowed area.. which kinda falls in line with Massa not getting penalized for crossing the pit exit line either. Massa's deal was pretty innocuous, but it kinda goes to beg the question, just who decides what rules to enforce - and to what degree? who was the "pro" that was serving with the FIA stewards this past weekend? i didn't catch it. i would laugh if it was a former Ferrari driver }:)
Massa 's (who didn't quite get all four off, but close) crossing happened on the white line before the track actually started. There is speculation that it was clarified in the driver's meeting that this part was okay, but not the white line following. Here is a pic someone put up on another forum:
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that diagram actually makes pretty good sense
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Reminds me of the California turning lane lines. They never make much sense to me either.

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Wow! What a race! It was like NASCAR with all those lead changes. The boys doing the commentary are going to have to up their game to keep up with all the things that are going on now - hope this trend continues!!!

There was as much excitement in that one race as all of last season combined!

Now if only my beloved Ferrari could get into the game.... :cry: :unimpressed:
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Bill Schenker wrote:Wow! What a race! It was like NASCAR with all those lead changes. The boys doing the commentary are going to have to up their game to keep up with all the things that are going on now - hope this trend continues!!!
they could start acting like the typical sports casters, and talking non-sense, and laughing at their own jokes.
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Jeff Shyu wrote:
Bill Schenker wrote:Wow! What a race! It was like NASCAR with all those lead changes. The boys doing the commentary are going to have to up their game to keep up with all the things that are going on now - hope this trend continues!!!
they could start acting like the typical sports casters, and talking non-sense, and laughing at their own jokes.

The guys are great; much better than the usual but I somehow felt that I was missing things, like how Webber (what an amazing drive!) was moving up. It seemed like they were only really talking about him when he was moving from up from P6 or so, but how about how he got to there! It's a very small critique to an otherwise great race!
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i always wish for more webber coverage, but that's because he's probably my favorite driver right now. I keep hoping for great things out of schumi, but he's just not the same guy.. :(
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Bill Schenker wrote:
Jeff Shyu wrote:
Bill Schenker wrote:Wow! What a race! It was like NASCAR with all those lead changes. The boys doing the commentary are going to have to up their game to keep up with all the things that are going on now - hope this trend continues!!!
they could start acting like the typical sports casters, and talking non-sense, and laughing at their own jokes.

The guys are great; much better than the usual but I somehow felt that I was missing things, like how Webber (what an amazing drive!) was moving up. It seemed like they were only really talking about him when he was moving from up from P6 or so, but how about how he got to there! It's a very small critique to an otherwise great race!
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Bill Schenker wrote:
Jeff Shyu wrote:
Bill Schenker wrote:Wow! What a race! It was like NASCAR with all those lead changes. The boys doing the commentary are going to have to up their game to keep up with all the things that are going on now - hope this trend continues!!!
they could start acting like the typical sports casters, and talking non-sense, and laughing at their own jokes.

The guys are great; much better than the usual but I somehow felt that I was missing things, like how Webber (what an amazing drive!) was moving up. It seemed like they were only really talking about him when he was moving from up from P6 or so, but how about how he got to there! It's a very small critique to an otherwise great race!

He was passing slow guys until he got to about p8.

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Bill Schenker wrote:Now if only my beloved Ferrari could get into the game.... :cry: :unimpressed:
How the MIGHTY Scuderia from Maranello have fallen!!! I love it! Goes to show that if Ferrari doesn't have a tire manufacturer in their back pocket (i.e. Michelin) then they're hopeless. The ironic thing is Pirelli is an Italian tire mfg unlike Michelin (French) or Bridgestone (Japan). Hi Bill! :)
Jeff Shyu wrote:i always wish for more webber coverage, but that's because he's probably my favorite driver right now. I keep hoping for great things out of schumi, but he's just not the same guy.. :(
Yeah I too rooted for the man from "down under". His team needs to scrap that KERS because his car ONLY is somehow getting "screwed". Something's fishy :) As for Schumacher....see my post above with regards to Ferrari. And add that he was out of the sport for 3yrs. Not expecting much from him.
KJ Christopher wrote:I could do without Varsha. I'm always happier when he is on assignment at some auto auction.
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Yeah the racing is MUCH better! The winner isn't determined after Q3 of qualifying on Saturday. Now it's until the last few laps. Great racing. Love seeing the wings open/close and it shows how truly aero-sensitive these cars are as all of sudden wing open, with KERS and it's like TURBO BOOST.
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I don't remember who it was when I was watching the replay, i think it was a Ferrari, when it made a pass on the straight, and the engine noise went way up "extra 500 rpm" or something like that.

that was pretty cool.
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...you kids and your "push to pass" video games....

But it is cool ;)
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How about when LH tried to pass SV with using DRS and KERS and could not get it done but then LH caught SV off-guard a few turns later and passed him! Nicely done! (even though I am no LH fan)
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i'm not a hamilton fan at all (i really don't know why, he's a great driver... as is vettel.. really, but I borderline dislike them both), but that pass was pretty cool.

as much as I hate the FIA screwing with the rules, I have to say, it hit the sweet spot this season. it's entertaining to watch the entire race. I don't find myself falling asleep 20 minutes in, after everyone's settled into their spots.
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Paris, France 20 April 2011
Effective immediately, F1 Sporting Regulations dictate that all drivers will use 78% throttle or less. No electronic or mechanical throttle limiter may be used. Drivers are required to manually comply with regulations. When a catching driver is within 34 meters of a car in the next competitive position, the catching driver may apply not more than 93.5% throttle for a period not to exceed 3.15 seconds. Certain teams at the discretion of race stewards may use an additional 5% throttle at all track locations to achieve competitive balance. Ferrari, under special consideration, may use 6.5% more throttle at all track locations and have unlimited DRS privileges. KERS units may continue to be used by teams to punish 2nd drivers who talk back to rich Austrian owners.

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Steve Ekstrand wrote:Paris, France 20 April 2011
Effective immediately, F1 Sporting Regulations dictate that all drivers will use 78% throttle or less. No electronic or mechanical throttle limiter may be used. Drivers are required to manually comply with regulations. When a catching driver is within 34 meters of a car in the next competitive position, the catching driver may apply not more than 93.5% throttle for a period not to exceed 3.15 seconds. Certain teams at the discretion of race stewards may use an additional 5% throttle at all track locations to achieve competitive balance. Ferrari, under special consideration, may use 6.5% more throttle at all track locations and have unlimited DRS privileges. KERS units may continue to be used by teams to punish 2nd drivers who talk back to rich Austrian owners.

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