Proud to be a racist too....

Read at your own risk.

Moderator: Mike Simanyi

Bob Beamesderfer
Posts: 3376
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: PSCC
Location: Orange
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Bob Beamesderfer »

George Schilling wrote:
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Change isn't a bad thing. I'm no where near as conservative as George the Plumber. Or the MooseLady. But unrestrained wholesale change in too big of a hurry because you know this is your parties big shot, is really troubling.
You might be wrong on that one Steve. Are you for legalization of drugs? Choice until an age of viability? Legalizing prostitution? These are my views.
You might have to convince me on legalizing prostitution, but I'm right there with you on the rest.

What I want out of government are a solid infrastructure, the best education system support that doesn't punish public in favor of private OR vice-versa; a public health-care system that doesn't force un-insured and under-insured into emergency rooms for what those of us with private insurance visit our own doctor. The private health-care insurance industry has little to nothing to lose by not opposing a safety net for those who either DO NOT HAVE EMPLOYER-SPONSORED COVERAGE or CANNOT AFFORD private coverage. What makes more sense here: Burdening public and private hospital emergency rooms or establishing a means by which these people can go to urgent care or even a private group practice?

Having been around as a wage-earner for the economic cycles of the past 30 years, it's damn clear that this downturn isn't simply another normal cycle. MANY aspects converged to create the situation. Attempts to blame a singular event or policy is dangerous ignorance.

Correcting this will require a bitter pill. My concern is that those responsible will be "kickin' it in the Caribbean and thinking" "Marcellus Wallace, er, Hank Paulson was right." Then there are the housing speculators; stubborn, greedy union leaders, and all of sorts of suddenly concerned parties who want a place at the table.

I have more faith in the likelihood of Obama bringing Gergen, Fromme, Larry Summers, Robert Rubin and other moderate financial and monetary minds into the process.
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

Obama wants flesh from those with wealth. Not to fix, but out of fairness. He said it straight out.
If your policies are misbased on misguided principles, they won't just fail, they'll drive us into a worse wreck.

I'd love to punish somebody who broke laws or committed fraud to cause our woes. I'd love to use tax policy to avoid certain wrongs even.

But he doesn't understand it. He can't unring the bell. And he'll be punishing the wrong people. And most of all he'll be standing in the way of the ones who can fix our problems.
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
Bob Beamesderfer
Posts: 3376
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: PSCC
Location: Orange
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Bob Beamesderfer »

Steve Ekstrand wrote: He can't unring the bell. ... And most of all he'll be standing in the way of the ones who can fix our problems.
Hasn't the bell already rung?

No, I don't believe he will do that. He's smart enough to follow the New Democrat model of Bill Clinton's successes by bringing the right mix of smart moderates to positions in which they can balanced policy decisions can be made.

I don't believe McCain can do that because he rolled over on his selection of running mate, picking someone who is not moderate in any way. The GOP is controlled by extreme faction. Harping on the fact that W isn't running DOES NOT change who will be behind the scenes.
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

Just a question....

Who appointed the 7 justices who made gay marriage a fundamental right for a protected class in California?

Tell me again how a conservative executive can reign right wing hell on a country with a supermajority of leftists on Capital Hill???
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
George Schilling
Club Representative
Posts: 5135
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 66
Location: Lakewood, CA

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by George Schilling »

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:You might have to convince me on legalizing prostitution, but I'm right there with you on the rest.
Don't worry Bob, it shouldn't raise the price too much. :gpower:
CASOC Autocross Club, 1984 Van Diemen RF-84, 1600cc Kent, Hewland Mk9, Centerline 2 pc. wheels, Hoosier R25B, SuperTrapp, Zimmer Alloclassic titanium left hip w/Metasul LDH chromium-cobalt lg dia head
User avatar
John Coffey
Posts: 635
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:24 am
Club: PSCC
Car#: 250
Location: La Habra, CA
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by John Coffey »

I'm hoping we get the latter Obama and I voted with that hope in mind:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazi ... gument.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
OPENING ARGUMENT
Which Obama Would America Get?
The Liberal Ideologue Could Be A Well-Meaning Failure; The Pragmatic Reformer Could Be A Great Leader.

by Stuart Taylor Jr.

Saturday, Nov. 1, 2008

When John McCain and many other Republicans ask, "Who is the real Barack Obama?" there is an implication that maybe he is somehow sinister or extremist.

I don't believe that. But I do think that there are two very different Obamas. Both are extraordinarily intelligent, serene under pressure, and driven by an admirable social conscience -- albeit as willing to deploy deception as the next politician. But while the first Obama would be a well-meaning failure, the second could become a great president.

An ultraliberal in moderate garb? The first Obama has sometimes seemed eager to engineer what he called "redistribution of wealth" in a 2001 radio interview, along with the more conventional protectionism, job preferences, and other liberal Democratic dogmas featured in his campaign. I worry that he might go beyond judiciously regulating our free enterprise system's all-too-apparent excesses and stifle it under the dead hand of government bureaucracy and lawsuits.

This redistributionist Obama has stayed in the background since he set his sights on the presidency years ago, except when he told Joe the Plumber that his tax plan would help "spread the wealth." This Obama seems largely invisible to many supporters. But he may retain some attachment to the radical-leftist sensibility in which -- as his impressive 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, explains with reflective detachment -- he was marinated as a youth and young man.

Obama spent much of his teenage years searching for his black identity. He was mentored for a time by the poet Frank Marshall Davis, a black-power activist who had once been a member of the Communist Party, and who was (according to Obama's book) "living in the same Sixties time warp" as Obama's mother, a decidedly liberal free spirit.

While the first Obama would be a well-meaning failure, the second could become a great president.

In college, lest he be "mistaken for a sellout," Obama "chose my friends carefully," according to his book: "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." After college, his social conscience steered him to become a community organizer and "organize black folks" in Chicago, from 1985 to 1988.

It was then that Obama met the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who as head of Trinity United Church of Christ did many good things but had a now-famous penchant for America-hating, white-bashing, conspiracy-theorizing, Farrakhan-honoring rants. A central theme of the first Wright sermon that Obama attended -- the one titled "the audacity of hope" -- was that "white folks' greed runs a world in need."

After graduating near the top of his Harvard Law School class in 1991, Obama could easily have landed a prestigious Supreme Court clerkship and gone on to a big law firm where partners make well over a $1 million a year. Instead, he followed his social conscience and political ambition back to Chicago, joining a small law firm.

Obama became more than casually acquainted with Bill Ayers, the Weather Underground bomber with whom he served on the boards of two Chicago philanthropic groups. In 1995, Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn -- the same Dohrn who in a blood-curdling 1969 speech had cited the Charles Manson gang of murderers as role models for the Weather Underground -- co-hosted a political fundraiser for Obama at their home. By then, the still-unrepentant Ayers had become a respected member of an academic establishment in which far-left views are fashionable.

I dwell on these much-debated associations not because I think that Obama sympathizes with what he has called Ayers's "detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8" or identifies with Wright's wild ravings. But I do think that Obama has understated (at best) his involvement with Wright and Ayers. And I wonder about the worldview of a man who was so comfortable with such far-left extremists and whose wife, Michelle, asserted earlier this year that America is "just downright mean" and "guided by fear" and that most Americans' lives have "gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl."

Obama's voting record as an Illinois and then U.S. senator is not extremist or radical. But it is not a bit bipartisan, either. He has hardly ever broken with his party, and he famously had the most liberal record of any senator in 2007 (although not in 2006 or 2005), according to National Journal's vote ratings.

This Obama has endorsed a long list of liberal restrictions on free enterprise that could end up hurting the people they are supposed to help, along with the rest of us: statist remedies for our broken educational system; encouraging unionization by substituting peer pressure and an undemocratic card-check process for secret ballots; raising the wages of women or lowering those of men who have dissimilar jobs that are declared by bureaucrats to be of comparable worth; renegotiating NAFTA; and more.

I wonder how far Obama wants to go down the road suggested by his lament in that 2001 radio interview that the civil-rights movement had failed to engineer "redistribution of wealth" and "economic justice." Would he be content with the moderately redistributive, Clintonesque increase in taxes on high-earning Americans that he proposes now? Or would he end up pushing for confiscatory taxes that could stifle entrepreneurship and job creation?

The best thing for the country would be for Obama to take on the interest groups and to govern from the center.

And would Obama's declared desire to appoint judges and justices driven mainly by "empathy" for "the powerless," rather than by fidelity to the law, lead to judicially invented constitutional rights to welfare, to ever-more-rigid preferences based on race and gender, and to other novel judicial overrides of democratic governance?

A pragmatic reformer? The pragmatic, consensus-building, inspirational Obama who has been on display during the general election campaign is a prodigious listener and learner. He can see all sides of every question. He seems suffused with good judgment. His social conscience has been tempered by recognition that well-intentioned liberal prescriptions can have perverse unintended consequences. His tax and health care proposals are much less radical than Republican critics suggest.

This Obama has surrounded himself not only with liberal advisers but also with mainstream moderates such as Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. He has won the support of moderate Republicans, including Colin Powell and Susan Eisenhower, and conservatives, including Kenneth Adelman and Charles Fried.

This is the Obama who said in his dazzling 2004 Democratic convention speech that "there is not a liberal America and a conservative America; there is a United States of America." This is the Obama who distanced himself not only from Jeremiah Wright but also -- more subtly -- from the rest of the racial-grievance crowd in a March 18 speech deploring as "profoundly distorted" the view that "sees white racism as endemic."

The pragmatic Obama is smart enough to know that reforms take root only if they enjoy broad public support and that self-identified conservatives vastly outnumber self-identified liberals in America. He also understands that while we need more-effective regulation, "America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history." He has said that "we don't want to return to marginal tax rates of 60 or 70 percent." He wants to expand the armed forces and to send more troops to Afghanistan.

The pragmatic Obama is not just a made-for-the-campaign creation. He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review in 1990 not only because he was one of the most brilliant students but also because the handful of conservatives whose votes helped tip the balance saw him as fair-minded and open to their point of view. And they were not disappointed.

Obama has dipped his toe in the water of questioning Democratic interest-group orthodoxies. He has supported charter schools (while opposing vouchers) and merit pay for teachers; he offended trial lawyers by voting in 2005 to curb unwarranted class-action lawsuits; and last year he questioned whether affluent black children such as his daughters should continue to get racial preferences over more needy whites and Asians.

To be sure, apart from these less-than-bold gestures, Obama's down-the-line liberal voting record does not give a centrist like me much basis for hope that he would resist pressure from Democratic interest groups, ideologues, and congressional leaders to steer hard to the left.

But I do hope that if Obama wins, the enormity of the economic and international crises facing him will accelerate his intellectual evolution and convince him that simply replacing dumb Bush policies with dumb Democratic policies will only drive the country deeper into the ditch. The best thing for the country would be to take on the interest groups and govern from the center. That would also be the best way for Obama to win re-election and have a truly historic presidency.
User avatar
George Schilling
Club Representative
Posts: 5135
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 66
Location: Lakewood, CA

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by George Schilling »

Well written piece, although the author's expectation that Obama could become a great president if he very quickly transforms his views to more moderate positions is pie in sky dreaming. But we can always hope. With the present state of the economy, I doubt that he can keep any of his "promises" of social reform, but he sure can ruin the economy and the coffers of the US government by the redistribution of wealth edict that apparently is floating around in that brilliant mind of his.
Last edited by George Schilling on Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
CASOC Autocross Club, 1984 Van Diemen RF-84, 1600cc Kent, Hewland Mk9, Centerline 2 pc. wheels, Hoosier R25B, SuperTrapp, Zimmer Alloclassic titanium left hip w/Metasul LDH chromium-cobalt lg dia head
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

How freakin' obvious does it have to be???

Obama is a neo-hippie-marxist who put a suit on and went to Harvard. He talks nice. He's bright. He's not a bumblin idiot to listen to like W or McCain. Or a trite PTA mom like Palin.

Except that he's a radical in a costume.

I had this talk so many times when I worked for the democrats in California. That to change the system you had to gain the trust of the system. Kinda scary that they all talked about what amounted to revolution in our political and social structure as "change"... I didn't think of that til now.

Guys like Ayers wear the red stars and the Che t-shirts. Probably helps them get laid on campus. But he's been around long enough to know that the candidate shouldn't be photographed in rebel wear. The Obama we see is a creation that we want to see. Its reveals nothing more than the competency of his deceit.
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

Somebody please show this to the brain dead in PA...
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... l-industry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More on the anti-clean coal....
http://www.news-register.net/page/conte ... 16414.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How does Obama walk into cheering crowds in PA and OH claiming that he is the Clean Coal candidate???
Oh yeah, that's right he's about change....
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

BTW-

The Leftosphere is saying that MooseLady's slams on Fruit Fly research in Paris, France was right wing code speak for lock up the gays....
Hey if Socialist means BLACK....

I'm going to need a Obama Dictionary....
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

One of the first pieces of legislation Obamanation wants to shove through in the new Marxist Experiment is Card Check. Instead of the hallmark of democracy, the secret ballot. Union leaders want workers to sign support cards for the union. I remember learning in indoctrination camp (Occidental College were Obama went for two years) that Marxism was cool if only the Stalins of the world hadn't destroyed it with totalitarian control of its citizens.... Wow, first big push is going to be a card check. Its like something out of Animal Farm.

I've ready the two most relevant US Supreme Court cases. I've read the Wiki entries. I've googled it...

What could possibly be the benefit to workers subjected to card check???

My family was a victim of labor intimidation and abuse. As a kid I watched teamster thugs drag my grandfather out of his house by giant enforcer thugs from out of town. We didn't grow them that big in Santa Paula.

We're going to go backwards 50 years. Is that the change people want?

Somebody explain how card check is good??? And remember I've run a union. I was born into a union family. And I've worked with some of the best pro-union labor attorneys in the country. I've staged a couple of union elections. If you can explain how Obama's position makes any sense at all, I'd be curious to read it.
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Jeff Shyu
Posts: 2143
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:21 am
Car#: 0
Location: Long Beach
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Jeff Shyu »

i'd like to see who Obama actually appoints to sec. o' treasury.
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

It'll be Larry Summers. Not somebody I always agree with but somebody I respect.
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
George Schilling
Club Representative
Posts: 5135
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 66
Location: Lakewood, CA

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by George Schilling »

Interesting time line today in IBD titled "How Mortgage Crisis Happened: Good Intentions Paved Dire Path". Steve, is this available on line? If so, maybe you can link it. It's worth reading
CASOC Autocross Club, 1984 Van Diemen RF-84, 1600cc Kent, Hewland Mk9, Centerline 2 pc. wheels, Hoosier R25B, SuperTrapp, Zimmer Alloclassic titanium left hip w/Metasul LDH chromium-cobalt lg dia head
User avatar
Jeff Shyu
Posts: 2143
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:21 am
Car#: 0
Location: Long Beach
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Jeff Shyu »

Bob Beamesderfer
Posts: 3376
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: PSCC
Location: Orange
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Bob Beamesderfer »

Steve Ekstrand wrote:BTW-

The Leftosphere is saying that MooseLady's slams on Fruit Fly research in Paris, France was right wing code speak for lock up the gays....
Hey if Socialist means BLACK....

I'm going to need a Obama Dictionary....
Fruit fly research?
Bob Beamesderfer
Posts: 3376
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: PSCC
Location: Orange
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Bob Beamesderfer »

Jeff Shyu wrote:linky
They left out the part about how the GOP-sponsored reforms in 2005-06 Congress were never brought to a floor vote. I guess Bill Frist was practicing medicine via video again and too busy to put the bill on the calendar.

They also put no blame on greedy, mismanaged lenders.

HOWEVER, because it is an EDITORIAL it is an OPINION piece.
User avatar
Craig Naylor
Posts: 1973
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:30 am
Club: SCNAX
Car#: 80
Location: Long Beach

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Craig Naylor »

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
What I want out of government are a solid infrastructure, the best education system support that doesn't punish public in favor of private OR vice-versa; a public health-care system that doesn't force un-insured and under-insured into emergency rooms for what those of us with private insurance visit our own doctor.
I can't speech for the others, but watching Steve's and George's posts, I bet all 4 of us can agree on this portion of your statement, and where it may rank in our priorities.

Since others have posted I voted: Reagan, Perot, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Bush, and yes McCain. Although I am registered Republican, I truly look at what every candidate has to offer, and vote for whom I believe is the better choice each time, taking into consideration not only the candidate themselves, but the balance of power in the houses also.

So far as the Republican ticket each November, only twice has my primary choice made it to the ticket. Then again I live in CA, where I know whom I vote for in November really doesn't matter, because the Dem nominee will take the state. I know my only real "vote" presidentialy is in the primary in hopes of electing someone who has a chance nationally in November.
Bob Beamesderfer
Posts: 3376
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: PSCC
Location: Orange
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Bob Beamesderfer »

Reagan and GHW Bush won California in '80, 84 and '88. Then it was Clinton, Gore and Kerry.
User avatar
George Schilling
Club Representative
Posts: 5135
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 66
Location: Lakewood, CA

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by George Schilling »

"Bush lied, people died" has been the rallying cry of the left since our entry into the war in Iraq. Although most of us agree that the decision was ultimately wrong and that the intelligence was in error, the allegation that Bush is a liar is the centerpiece of the hatred. Unless you've been hiding under a rock the last 2 years, you must know that Obama is a world class liar and manipulator. Shouldn't the president be someone who is honest? Are you really considering voting for him? :roll:

If you are, remember to vote tomorrow, Wednesday Nov 5. Every vote is important. :lol:
CASOC Autocross Club, 1984 Van Diemen RF-84, 1600cc Kent, Hewland Mk9, Centerline 2 pc. wheels, Hoosier R25B, SuperTrapp, Zimmer Alloclassic titanium left hip w/Metasul LDH chromium-cobalt lg dia head
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

Obama is the biggest sack of excrement to ever receive a nomination.
The world will pay the price.

I can't believe how people can be so wrong. January will begin the complete dismantling of the United States of America. Our country is lost.
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

These are the same guys who will beating up workers who refuse to sign the cardchecks....
http://townhall.com/blog/g/cf47766b-5a6 ... 60631bcadc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These are Obama's heroes of democracy...

Imagine if this was reversed? Katie Couric would be crying.
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

I wonder how Barry Hussein Obama feels about Prop 2???

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 082040.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

Next Sec Treas

http://www.ft.com/comment/columnists/lawrencesummers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
User avatar
Steve Ekstrand
Solo Safety Steward
Posts: 7482
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 11:26 am
Club: CASOC
Car#: 15
Location: This space left intentionally blank
Contact:

Re: Proud to be a racist too....

Post by Steve Ekstrand »

If it takes the Messiah 15 minutes to vote, how is he going to run the country???
Seriously... "Well McCain is a war hero and MooseLady is damn hot.....Hmmmm...."

15 minutes to vote
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=212903" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dr. Conemangler
aka The Malefic One
2015 Wildcat Honda F600
Post Reply