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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby niki smith » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:40 pm

Hello! I'll be signing up for October Autocross with Cal Club ASAP. It will be my first time.

just want to verify my 2017 stock Subaru WRX is DS class?

Also I will be running Novice all year. Do I need to add NOV or just N to my class letters? Any recommendations on a reliable place for magnets?

I will be doing a few mods eventually that may change my class but I'm hoping to understand classing more before those happen.

Thanks for the help!

Niki

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Rick Brown » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:20 am

niki smith wrote:Hello! I'll be signing up for October Autocross with Cal Club ASAP. It will be my first time.

just want to verify my 2017 stock Subaru WRX is DS class?

Also I will be running Novice all year. Do I need to add NOV or just N to my class letters? Any recommendations on a reliable place for magnets?

I will be doing a few mods eventually that may change my class but I'm hoping to understand classing more before those happen.

Thanks for the help!

Niki

Hi Niki, yep, DS is correct. The proper class letters would be NOV DS. Check with Jayson Woodruff for vinyl: http://www.jaycomvinyl.com/

Also, you might check into the Ladies School on the 30th. You will get personalized training from some of the top women drivers in the country.
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby niki smith » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:40 am

Rick Brown wrote:
niki smith wrote:Hello! I'll be signing up for October Autocross with Cal Club ASAP. It will be my first time.

just want to verify my 2017 stock Subaru WRX is DS class?

Also I will be running Novice all year. Do I need to add NOV or just N to my class letters? Any recommendations on a reliable place for magnets?

I will be doing a few mods eventually that may change my class but I'm hoping to understand classing more before those happen.

Thanks for the help!

Niki

Hi Niki, yep, DS is correct. The proper class letters would be NOV DS. Check with Jayson Woodruff for vinyl: http://www.jaycomvinyl.com/

Also, you might check into the Ladies School on the 30th. You will get personalized training from some of the top women drivers in the country.


Thanks Rick! I registered for Ladies school & October 23rd Autocross last night. I am really looking forward for both!

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Black Ops » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:23 pm

I have a 16 year old son and we will be soloing our 2016 mustang ECO 4 with the performance package. We are considering some modifications but would like to keep it in a stock class. The modifications we are considering are Intake, Intercooler and exhaust with minor suspension upgrades such as bushings and springs with upgraded tire size. Will any of these bolt on modifications put the car in a higher class and if so what other modifications would be beneficial if we end up in a higher class so we can be competitive and still keep the car primarily in stock trim? Also, I am considering putting my Saleen S302E into the CAM class. It is my understanding that the CAM class allows almost all modifications except wheel base and tread wear tires of 200 or greater is this correct?

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Craig Naylor » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:27 pm

Black Ops wrote:I have a 16 year old son and we will be soloing our 2016 mustang ECO 4 with the performance package. We are considering some modifications but would like to keep it in a stock class. The modifications we are considering are Intake, Intercooler and exhaust with minor suspension upgrades such as bushings and springs with upgraded tire size. Will any of these bolt on modifications put the car in a higher class and if so what other modifications would be beneficial if we end up in a higher class so we can be competitive and still keep the car primarily in stock trim? Also, I am considering putting my Saleen S302E into the CAM class. It is my understanding that the CAM class allows almost all modifications except wheel base and tread wear tires of 200 or greater is this correct?


Welcome
'16 Mustang - each of your Mod's listed would likely knock you out of stock; or in SCCA parlance "Street"...

This list is over simplified, but in Street you can only do the following "Mods" from your list:
Intake: Air Element in stock box
Exhaust: Cat back
Suspension: Shocks, no more than two way adjustable
Wheels +/- 1" diameter on stock width

Intercooler, Bushings, and Springs would not be allowed to be modified and remain in street. each of these modifications would land you someplace different in Official SCCA classes. The intercooler I believe would would send you straight to Modified... where you can gut the car. Due to this, answering the second question is a little problematic.

IMHO if he is only 16... keep the car Bone Stock for a year or more until he has mastered it.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Sean Fenstermacher » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:42 am

Craig Naylor wrote:This list is over simplified, but in Street you can only do the following "Mods" from your list:
Intake: Air Element in stock box
Exhaust: Cat back
Suspension: Shocks, no more than two way adjustable
Wheels +/- 1" diameter on stock width


Also add:

Sway Bar: You can change 1 sway bar (either front or rear) with a different size one or eliminate it entirely.
Tires: 200tw or higher, but size is unrestricted.

If you want to modify the car more than that, you might want to consider STP class or CAM.
Rules for STP can be found under Street Touring here: http://www.scca.com/pages/solo-cars-and-rules

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Paul Molina » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:06 pm

Hello,
Can you tell me my class for a 2017 Mustang GT350-R
Thanks
Paul

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Brandon Stahl » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:30 pm

Hello,
New to Cal Club and could use some help classing my car:

2002 Porsche 911 Turbo (996 generation)
- CA Registered and plated
- 295 width rear tires
- 180 treadwear tires (DOT legal)
- aftermarket exhaust with high flow cat
- ECU tune with increased boost to .8bar
- 3 way coilover suspension
- aftermarket steering wheel (not sure that matters)
(contemplating a rollbar, 6-point harnesses, race bucket)

I think I am in SSP but any help would be much appreciated. Also, does it make a difference in my class if I take the ECU back to stock? Thanks!
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Rick Brown » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:06 pm

Paul Molina wrote:Hello,
Can you tell me my class for a 2017 Mustang GT350-R
Thanks
Paul

Super Street (SS)
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Sean Fenstermacher » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:45 pm

Brandon Stahl wrote:Hello,
New to Cal Club and could use some help classing my car:

2002 Porsche 911 Turbo (996 generation)
- CA Registered and plated
- 295 width rear tires
- 180 treadwear tires (DOT legal)
- aftermarket exhaust with high flow cat
- ECU tune with increased boost to .8bar
- 3 way coilover suspension
- aftermarket steering wheel (not sure that matters)
(contemplating a rollbar, 6-point harnesses, race bucket)

I think I am in SSP but any help would be much appreciated. Also, does it make a difference in my class if I take the ECU back to stock? Thanks!


Hi Brandon! Yup, SSP is correct, but you since you are on Street Tires you would be more competitive in our local CST class.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Chris Myers » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:06 pm

Hi Pals & Gals,

I believe my '13 fit will soon be FSP and I just want to confirm for next season.

I ran STF this year but I believe my current mods and soon to be future mods will bump me out of the class.

Mods:
Engine: Stock (Automatic)
Suspension: Koni Shocks & Tien Springs
Progress Rear Sway Bar
Wheels: Drag DR33 16x7
Tires: Dunlop Direzza DZ102 (205/50/r16)
Seat: Cobra Monaco Pro
Body: Honda Access Modulo Front Lip ( Accessory to Japanese Fits from dealership, but not available in US from dealership)
Rear "Duck Bill spoiler" Fiberglass
------
FUTURE MODS

Front Bumper Canards
Front Bumper Winglets
Carbon Fiber Hood (vented)

I believe these 3 mods bump me into (FSP). I am not competitive in my (automatic) Fit and most of my mods are just for looks but I want to make sure I am classed correctly.

Thanks!! :D
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Dan Monarrez » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:00 am

Just for clarification, I have a 2016 focus st. All stock with the only add ons, which havent decided to go with 17x8.5 or stay with oem 18x8.5 with 200 treadwear tires. this I assume will still allow me to be in GS? Will adding a short shift kit bump me out of GS?

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Anthony Porta » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:40 pm

Chris Myers wrote:Hi Pals & Gals,

I believe my '13 fit will soon be FSP and I just want to confirm for next season.

I ran STF this year but I believe my current mods and soon to be future mods will bump me out of the class.

Mods:
Engine: Stock (Automatic)
Suspension: Koni Shocks & Tien Springs
Progress Rear Sway Bar
Wheels: Drag DR33 16x7
Tires: Dunlop Direzza DZ102 (205/50/r16)
Seat: Cobra Monaco Pro
Body: Honda Access Modulo Front Lip ( Accessory to Japanese Fits from dealership, but not available in US from dealership)
Rear "Duck Bill spoiler" Fiberglass
------
FUTURE MODS

Front Bumper Canards
Front Bumper Winglets
Carbon Fiber Hood (vented)

I believe these 3 mods bump me into (FSP). I am not competitive in my (automatic) Fit and most of my mods are just for looks but I want to make sure I am classed correctly.

Thanks!! :D


I would talk to the local guys in STF first and see if they have an issue with the body mods. Otherwise I think its SMF.
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Anthony Porta » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:40 pm

Dan Monarrez wrote:Just for clarification, I have a 2016 focus st. All stock with the only add ons, which havent decided to go with 17x8.5 or stay with oem 18x8.5 with 200 treadwear tires. this I assume will still allow me to be in GS? Will adding a short shift kit bump me out of GS?


yes adding a short shift kit will bump you out of GS.
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Chris Myers » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:00 pm

Anthony Porta wrote:I would talk to the local guys in STF first and see if they have an issue with the body mods. Otherwise I think its SMF.



Thanks for the tip, I am at least 8-10 seconds behind the middle of the pack for STF. I just didn't want to appear like I am "cheating" the rest of the class.

I will aslo look into SMF.

Thanks!
2013 Honda Fit Sport -STF

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Shane Sugiyama » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:15 pm

Hi All,

I want to start driving on Sundays starting next year for more seat time and need help classing my car.
My times are no where near competitive so this is for registration purposes.

Car: 1975 Datsun 280Z
Engine: Stock with aftermarket radiator
Suspension: Coilovers
Brakes: Increased rotor/caliper size in front. Drum to disc brake conversion in rear
Wheels: 16x8
Tires: Kumho ecsta XS (180 tread wear)
Body: Removed front and rear bumper

I believe removing my bumpers puts me in FP?
Also, if I swap tires to 200 tread wear tires, can I be in CST?

Thanks!

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Rick Brown » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:43 pm

Shane Sugiyama wrote:Hi All,

I want to start driving on Sundays starting next year for more seat time and need help classing my car.
My times are no where near competitive so this is for registration purposes.

Car: 1975 Datsun 280Z
Engine: Stock with aftermarket radiator
Suspension: Coilovers
Brakes: Increased rotor/caliper size in front. Drum to disc brake conversion in rear
Wheels: 16x8
Tires: Kumho ecsta XS (180 tread wear)
Body: Removed front and rear bumper

I believe removing my bumpers puts me in FP?
Also, if I swap tires to 200 tread wear tires, can I be in CST?

Thanks!

Yes, and Yes. Can also be in CSM with the existing tires. When registering for FP, register in P (Prepared Combined) with an FP PAX.
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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Andrew Perez » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:53 pm

Hello, new here to the racing world. Need help classifying my 2005 S2000. Im guessing street touring. Thanks in advance.

Engine: Stock with KN Air filter
Suspension: Apexi N1 coilovers, CR front sway bar
Wheels: Oem
Tires: Dunlop Direzza Star Spec 2 (oem size)
Brake: EBC brake pads
Drive: Oem clutch with ACT Pressure plate
Exhaust: Fujitsubo

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby rmgibson » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:19 am

Andrew Perez wrote:Hello, new here to the racing world. Need help classifying my 2005 S2000. Im guessing street touring. Thanks in advance.

Engine: Stock with KN Air filter
Suspension: Apexi N1 coilovers, CR front sway bar
Wheels: Oem
Tires: Dunlop Direzza Star Spec 2 (oem size)
Brake: EBC brake pads
Drive: Oem clutch with ACT Pressure plate
Exhaust: Fujitsubo


Yes, you would be in STR (street touring roadster)

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Byron Goodman » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:00 am

rmgibson wrote:
Andrew Perez wrote:Hello, new here to the racing world. Need help classifying my 2005 S2000. Im guessing street touring. Thanks in advance.

Engine: Stock with KN Air filter
Suspension: Apexi N1 coilovers, CR front sway bar
Wheels: Oem
Tires: Dunlop Direzza Star Spec 2 (oem size)
Brake: EBC brake pads
Drive: Oem clutch with ACT Pressure plate
Exhaust: Fujitsubo


Yes, you would be in STR (street touring roadster)


This classing depend upon the nature of the non-stock components.

if the shocks are no more than double-adjustable, the ACT pressure plate is OEM spec, and the Exhaust mod is catback, then this this fits the B Street class.

The air filter change is OK for B Street
Tires are OK for B Street
Swaybar is OK for B Street
Assuming springs are OEM spec...

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Marshall Grice » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:28 pm

Byron Goodman wrote:
if the shocks are no more than double-adjustable...

Assuming springs are OEM spec...

be careful with this recommendation. the springs have to be exactly the oem springs. Without much effort, off the self Apex N1 coilovers are not street class legal.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Craig Naylor » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:41 pm

Marshall Grice wrote:
Byron Goodman wrote:
if the shocks are no more than double-adjustable...

Assuming springs are OEM spec...

be careful with this recommendation. the springs have to be exactly the oem springs. Without much effort, off the self Apex N1 coilovers are not street class legal.


He said coilovers... not 100% up on the new street vs old stock... but I'm not sure coilovers are legal... spring spec's aside.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Andrew Perez » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:15 pm

Thanks guys. So it looks like I should put my oem S2000 strut/spring combo back on to be street class legal. Will a new set of CR strut/spring be ok?

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Byron Goodman » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:59 pm

Andrew Perez wrote:Thanks guys. So it looks like I should put my oem S2000 strut/spring combo back on to be street class legal. Will a new set of CR strut/spring be ok?


CR struts are OK. The CR springs are stiffer than OEM, so are not allowed in Street for a non-CR S2000.

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Re: Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

Postby Andrew Perez » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:27 pm

Thanks guys.. I forgot to mention I have Hasport Engine mounts and EVS differential collars. Is this an issue? I read that bushing are ok but these are complete hardware and bushing changes.


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