Rick Brown wrote:Who started this thread, anyway? Hmmm, first chance to compare the philosophies if the candidates...........
OK, who can field dress a Moostang?
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Rick Brown wrote:Who started this thread, anyway? Hmmm, first chance to compare the philosophies if the candidates...........
I thought CSM was the catch all the newbs class. I have yet to see a newb show up with A6/710's on a car and have it be modded out of SM/SM2 rules.Rick Brown wrote:Not with me. This idea completely goes against the concept of CSM, IMHO.Sebastian Rios wrote:It looks like we are pretty much in agreement on CSM being limited to street tires.
Well, here's what I was thinking with my suggestion: I'm looking at this as an opportunity to create a class that's sole purpose it to increase competiton while lowering cost for many drivers. I'm not so sure we need another 'tweener' class, especially when that tweener class is fairly close to SP on street tires.Rick Brown wrote:Who started this thread, anyway? Hmmm, first chance to compare the philosophies if the candidates...........
Wings, bumper covers and possibly some appearance items like side skirts or fake ducts.Sebastian Rios wrote:It looks like we are pretty much in agreement on CSM being limited to street tires.
Now what about a 2 seater STX/U class?
Jay pointed out that a prepped car for our local class would not have a place to go for National competition, but what about SP? They wouldn't necessarily be at the top of the heap, but would still be able to play at the tours and divisionals. Then later they have the option of going to SP in earnest.
I realize that the rules progression from ST to SP isn't completely linear, but the new brake rules get them closer. What else might a ST competitor have to "downgrade" to be legal in SP?
Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Rick Brown wrote:Who started this thread, anyway? Hmmm, first chance to compare the philosophies if the candidates...........
OK, who can field dress a Moostang?
Since you are a moderator in this forum, you could move your own comments to the off topic sectionMike Simanyi wrote:Can I take my own thread OT or is that verboten? ;)
Hmm, wings and side skirts can be a performance advantage. So why just fake ducts? There are many real and some effective ducts on the market.Mike Simanyi wrote: Wings, bumper covers and possibly some appearance items like side skirts or fake ducts.
Mike
Marshall Grice wrote:I thought CSM was the catch all the newbs class. I have yet to see a newb show up with A6/710's on a car and have it be modded out of SM/SM2 rules.Rick Brown wrote:Not with me. This idea completely goes against the concept of CSM, IMHO.Sebastian Rios wrote:It looks like we are pretty much in agreement on CSM being limited to street tires.
I thought CSM had decent participation until us race tired A-holes showed up in there and scared everyone off. Thus my opinion that participation would increase due to adding a street tire restriction on CSM.
Except that this is the Public Rules Discussion forum. If it was a done deal it'd be an announcment in Solo Talk, not open for comment.Doug Teulie wrote:You should change the name of this thread to “Thoughts” or “PROPOSED CHANGES” or add a "?"
It looks like a real final change has been made.
Not how I remember it. Was intended for both. A place for newbies with strange mods and regulars that don't care to play in SCCA regulated classes. It was realized at the time that it could be a full local class with cars being preped specifically for it. How big is this demand for a street tire version really? Just a few people want it or bunches of them asking for it. Those newbies that come as a group to run against each other shouldn't care what other's in the class do, only how they fair against their friends.Glenn Duensing wrote: I thought CSM was the catch all the newbs class.
Glenn Duensing wrote: IMHO keep CSM as is. Give anybody that wants to run street tires in CSM or SP, give them the .975 PAX factor instead of diluting the classes more unless that's your goal of lots of "I" classes and everybody wins because there is nobody else in the class...
Mike Simanyi wrote:Sorry Glenn, I have to disagree with you...Considering that and the call we had last year for a street tire version, we can make it a much more useful class for newbies who want to run against their buddies as well as those members who want to run an otherwise SM or SP car on street tires. Mike
Last year Art wanted it and one other said that they might ran it.Rick Brown wrote: How big is this demand for a street tire version really? Just a few people want it or bunches of them asking for it.
Creating several new classes that have no path to SCCA is not a good idea unless we run a different series for profit or we want to give the street racers a place to run. IF CSMX is the run what you got on street tires class I think we have it covered. We want to attract new drivers to the sport. The sport is SCCA local class, Divisional, Tour and Nationals. CSMX is not going to help build SCCA classes but one odd class is better than several.Robert Puertas wrote:Simplifying things is good.
We seem to make this all too complicated just because we think we can.
Make CSM a street tire class and also make it the default novice class. This makes life so much simpler.
Robert Puertas wrote:Simplifying things is good.
We seem to make this all too complicated just because we think we can.
Make CSM a street tire class and also make it the default novice class. This makes life so much simpler.
My initial reaction to this rare event would be to say "Hey, cool looking A-mod car. Might want to consider adding wings eventually, but have fun running it." He can still compare times to whatever he wants.Earl Merz wrote:Robert Puertas wrote:Simplifying things is good.
We seem to make this all too complicated just because we think we can.
Make CSM a street tire class and also make it the default novice class. This makes life so much simpler.
What happens when a street legal bike engined 7 clone comes in with DOT-R tires? A-Mod? That is really the only National class it's legal for(unless you built the chassis to B-Mod rules).