- Section 7 -- CSCC SOLO REGIONAL CHAMPIONSIHP POINTS AND AWARDS or
- Section 9 -- SOLO COMMITTEE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES
This is to become effective for year 2011.
Moderators: Mike Simanyi, Rick Brown
I suggest this slight change in wordingGiovanni Jaramillo wrote:At that point the number will be sold to anyone at "first-come, first-serve" basis, with the exception of the protected number range: 1-199.
Thanks George.George Schilling wrote:I suggest this slight change in wordingGiovanni Jaramillo wrote:At that point the number will be sold to anyone at "first-come, first-serve" basis, with the exception of the protected number range: 1-199.
At that point the number will be available on a "first-come, first-serve" basis, with the exception of the protected number range: 1-199.
Just a reminder Ken to have this ready for our meeting this Wed.Ken Lord wrote:Gio - I will look and see the best fit for this and see if it causes any other conflicts. Thanks for the language.Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:Suggestion of addition of rule to either
Section 7 -- CSCC SOLO REGIONAL CHAMPIONSIHP POINTS AND AWARDS or
Section 9 -- SOLO COMMITTEE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES"
Gio, thanks for the work. May I suggest a variation a bit less wordy:Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:Suggestion of addition of rule to either
(7.1.2)/(9.1.3) POINTS CARD RENEWAL: After October 1st Points card number(s) may be renewed. Points cards expire at the end of the calendar year (12/31/xxxx). Renewal of a points card for the following year will be announced on the 1st of October of the current year. If the points card is not renewed by the end of the current year, that number will become available to anyone and is not reserved for the previous card holder. At that point the number will be available on a "first-come, first-served" basis, with the exception of the protected number range: 1-199. Those numbers are assigned at the discretion of the Solo Membership Chairman.
- Section 7 -- CSCC SOLO REGIONAL CHAMPIONSIHP POINTS AND AWARDS or
- Section 9 -- SOLO COMMITTEE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES
This is to become effective for year 2011.
You do forget that I'm writing this for the lowest common denominator of readers right? I'm all for less wordiness though, so however it is written, I'm fine with, just that the gist of it all is.....NO MORE GRACE PERIOD.Craig Naylor wrote:May I suggest a variation a bit less wordy:
Ken, I'm fine with Craig's change.Craig Naylor wrote:7.1.2)/(9.1.3) POINTS CARD RENEWAL: Points card number(s) must be renewed by the end of the calendar year, or they will expire. Expired number(s) are available on a "first-come, first-serve" basis, with the exception of numbers: 1-199, assigned at the discretion of the Solo Membership Chairman.
No problem.Craig Naylor wrote: Reasons for changes :
"(12/31/xxxx), Redundant, what other definition of a calender year would there be?
End of second sentence beginning of third sentence - Redundant
Last portion just wordy... shortens it up.
How about voting instead of this garbage.with the exception of numbers: 1-199, assigned at the discretion of the Solo Membership Chairman.
This discretion was GRANTED to me (an E-Board Sub-commitee member) by the Solo Committee that was VOTED on. I have never abused my powers, and if you feel I have abused them towards you, then please report it to your club rep and it will be brought up at the meeting. But in your case you were a new member, and except under special circumstances, we, the region do NOT grant out coveted numbers 1-199 to newbies. In regards to the special circumstances, these "new" members, were not necessarily newbies just new to the region and they came with recommendations from long-standing core members to me, and I then made the change.Webster Jessup wrote:How about voting instead of this garbage.with the exception of numbers: 1-199, assigned at the discretion of the Solo Membership Chairman.
Giovanni has already abused this BADLY this year.
Actually yes....because it's an easy number to remember and plenty of time. Oct. 1st = 3 months notice to renew your points card, thus if it's consistent, then everyone knows to start to renew now as opposed to at the literal 11th hour of the final day of the year, where you cannot expect me to be on the computer on New Year's Eve to process your application when I would most likely be :barf: at some partyCraig Naylor wrote:Sentence including "announced on the 1st of October" Do we need a rule that states when future announcement will be made? Is there a benefit or consequence if were off a day / week or so?
Thanks for the correction.Mike Simanyi wrote:That isn't *exclusive* authority - he's working on behalf of the Board
Webster, I also don't like this portion of the rule, but the power was granted last year. I personally feel it should be first come first serve. If you've been around a while, then you ought to know to make the request early. I was not trying to re-write the rules intent, just it's wordiness.Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:But again your tone of voice (or rather e-mail post) will most likely assure that you do NOT get a number within the 1-199 range in the near future.Webster Jessup wrote: How about voting instead of this garbage.
Giovanni has already abused this BADLY this year.
Membership Chairman
GJ
Don't need to refer to them as these pot-shots are out in the open for all to see (and this is not the first time it's been aimed at me by this member). Others have been via e-mail offline.Craig Naylor wrote:Unsportsmanlike like actions should be referred to the board if you feel they are aimed at you.
Trust me I know this as I always run by several requests to the E-Board but again when you attack the committee/E-board why should we still accomodate you (not you in particular Craig, but said member)? Let's discuss this tomorrow at the meeting instead of taking the thread off-topic. But I do stand by my statement so we'll have to agree to "disagree".Craig Naylor wrote:Remember your granted authority by the Board, your not an independent prosecutor, judge & jury rolled into one.
Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:you cannot expect me to be on the computer on New Year's Eve to process your application when I would most likely be :barf: at some party
Obviously you missed the smileys that meant the post to be taken "tongue in cheek"Craig Naylor wrote:They just need to postmark, or go online before the year ends. Anything dated Jan 1st is now either late, or expired (depending on how you look at it), and has the potential to be issued to someone else.
Disagree. If it's written in the rules that Oct. 1st is when renewals can start to be accepted then if I forget to post a reminder thread on the forums or the news that's okay as it's there in the Supp Regs for all to see.Craig Naylor wrote:But that said, I don't see how including "OCT 1st" has anything to do with Dec 31st deadline. This gives the membership chair (yourself or someone else in the future) some leeway... ie if you happen to be on vacation, layed up in the hospital etc... your not "late" in posting such. If you feel you and future Membership Chair(persons) need such a deadline looming over your head, come hell or high-water, I guess it could be re-added.
Agree.Craig Naylor wrote:Webster, I also don't like this portion of the rule, but the power was granted last year. I personally feel it should be first come first serve. If you've been around a while, then you ought to know to make the request early. I was not trying to re-write the rules intent, just it's wordiness.Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:But again your tone of voice (or rather e-mail post) will most likely assure that you do NOT get a number within the 1-199 range in the near future.Webster Jessup wrote: How about voting instead of this garbage.
Giovanni has already abused this BADLY this year.
Membership Chairman
GJ
Gio, that comment was out of line, and as a club rep I will vote to remove such discretion (emergency action) if I learn this type of threat is repeated. Attacked: perceived, actual, implied, or not, that was very unprofessional and an apology posted! Unsportsmanlike like actions should be referred to the board if you feel they are aimed at you. Responding in kind by someone representing the organization is even worse! Remember your granted authority by the Board, your not an independent prosecutor, judge & jury rolled into one.
You most DEFINITELY should be a diplomat or ambassador Theo!Theo Osifeso wrote:If new people are allegedly welcome to join us, such threat will absolutely chase them away, heck this has to be off putting to current members. Someone who yields such omnipotent powers should come out and introduce themselve to the new members and facilitate a different kind of atmosphere.
Will be much better than dismissively calling them newbies. But what do I know, I am just a newbie and should just shut the hell up.
Jeff Stuart wrote:As far as the whole 1-199 number thing goes, from the perspective of a relative outsider, or "newbie" if you like, I don't see any reason those numbers should be special at all. All it does is serve as a source of controversy and drama, as evidenced by this thread.
Craig Naylor wrote:Webster, I also don't like this portion of the rule, but the power was granted last year. I personally feel it should be first come first serve. If you've been around a while, then you ought to know to make the request early. I was not trying to re-write the rules intent, just it's wordiness.Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:But again your tone of voice (or rather e-mail post) will most likely assure that you do NOT get a number within the 1-199 range in the near future.Webster Jessup wrote: How about voting instead of this garbage.
Giovanni has already abused this BADLY this year.
Membership Chairman
GJ
Gio, that comment was out of line, and as a club rep I will vote to remove such discretion (emergency action) if I learn this type of threat is repeated. Attacked: perceived, actual, implied, or not, that was very unprofessional and an apology posted! Unsportsmanlike like actions should be referred to the board if you feel they are aimed at you. Responding in kind by someone representing the organization is even worse! Remember your granted authority by the Board, your not an independent prosecutor, judge & jury rolled into one.
Thanks Steve. I think it was unfortunate what happened. I had gone to every single event prior to the renewal and it was upsetting to hear that my number was given away because I had never been met by the membership chair. Then my second choice which was approved by their chair was taken away from me. This nonsense shouldn't have happened and was reminded why I joined. Not for the politics that go on but to have fun and race.Steve Ekstrand wrote:Web and Michael have been great new members. They volunteer and help at events all the time and this year stepped up to do National events too. Couldn't ask for any more out of a coupla' newbs.
I volunteered you for Chief of Workers at the Team Blew eventMichael Smith wrote: Thanks Steve. I think it was unfortunate what happened. I had gone to every single event prior to the renewal and it was upsetting to hear that my number was given away because I had never been met by the membership chair. Then my second choice which was approved by their chair was taken away from me. This nonsense shouldn't have happened and was reminded why I joined. Not for the politics that go on but to have fun and race.
I still haven't missed a championship since joining and do need a break