Keep in mind that San Diego's is not though. 93dB @ 50Ft, toughest in the country and 93.1 will get you a DNF.Steve Ekstrand wrote:BTW-the sound thing is sort of a bluff...
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Keep in mind that San Diego's is not though. 93dB @ 50Ft, toughest in the country and 93.1 will get you a DNF.Steve Ekstrand wrote:BTW-the sound thing is sort of a bluff...
Hopefully someone can verify on Saturday that the MR2 is less then 80db @ 50 feet. I still think it is louder then that but the db meter we used is very accurate, at least it has been in the past. Maybe it is because the sound is so high pitched? Or maybe because the open exhaust lets out under the car rather then behind it, so I can hear it very well when I drive.Jayson Woodruff wrote:Keep in mind that San Diego's is not though. 93dB @ 50Ft, toughest in the country and 93.1 will get you a DNF.Steve Ekstrand wrote:BTW-the sound thing is sort of a bluff...
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My guess is you're right. I doubt you were doing hard brake, hard turn, full throttle in the church parking lot. And a lot depends on where the sound meter is set up. I've heard of several cars tripping the limit with the CAI, a source of noise I hadn't previously considered.Jamie Lessie wrote:Hopefully someone can verify on Saturday that the MR2 is less then 80db @ 50 feet. I still think it is louder then that but the db meter we used is very accurate, at least it has been in the past. Maybe it is because the sound is so high pitched? Or maybe because the open exhaust lets out under the car rather then behind it, so I can hear it very well when I drive.Jayson Woodruff wrote:Keep in mind that San Diego's is not though. 93dB @ 50Ft, toughest in the country and 93.1 will get you a DNF.Steve Ekstrand wrote:BTW-the sound thing is sort of a bluff...
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CAI?KJ Christopher wrote: My guess is you're right. I doubt you were doing hard brake, hard turn, full throttle in the church parking lot. And a lot depends on where the sound meter is set up. I've heard of several cars tripping the limit with the CAI, a source of noise I hadn't previously considered.
Cold Air IntakeJamie Lessie wrote:CAI?KJ Christopher wrote: My guess is you're right. I doubt you were doing hard brake, hard turn, full throttle in the church parking lot. And a lot depends on where the sound meter is set up. I've heard of several cars tripping the limit with the CAI, a source of noise I hadn't previously considered.
10K? That's right. You didn't go pneumatic valve train...Steve Ekstrand wrote:We theorized that the CAI was the source of the sound of satan unleashed by the furious gay rage civie. So, we went with a short ram to keep the scream under the hood....
I talk to Dr. Jason and he tells me they had trouble with the short ram making too much noise....
Its hard to contain these 11 to 1 compression big cam 10K rpm monsters.... }:) }:) }:) }:) }:) }:) }:)
Oh sure. Now he finds morals...Steve Ekstrand wrote:Eric's goal was to attempt a plausibly legal motor.
We'd have to know more about what mods he's done.Tito Sar wrote:My friend has a daily driven 1991 MR2 and he is not stock. STS2 excludes his MR2 from what I'm reading; therefore, where does he belong?
Hm, he is NA, stock engine; his suspension consists of aftermarket shocks and springs, and he is running on All-Season Hankook's. Let me know if I missed anything.Kurt Rahn wrote:We'd have to know more about what mods he's done.Tito Sar wrote:My friend has a daily driven 1991 MR2 and he is not stock. STS2 excludes his MR2 from what I'm reading; therefore, where does he belong?
When building a solo car it is best to do your class rules homework first before you spend money on modifications.Nathan Hall wrote:I ran in fsp at the El Toro event but i think im in the wrong class. The car has a 2.0 16v,koni adjs, neuspeed springs,no rear seat. Would i be able to run in historic ? If so what would be my pax? Thanks in advance Nate.
From the last Fastrack about the SMF class doug is talking about.Doug Teulie wrote:When building a solo car it is best to do your class rules homework first before you spend money on modifications.Nathan Hall wrote:I ran in fsp at the El Toro event but i think im in the wrong class. The car has a 2.0 16v,koni adjs, neuspeed springs,no rear seat. Would i be able to run in historic ? If so what would be my pax? Thanks in advance Nate.
You have built a Front wheel Drive Street Mod car. It would be best (IMO) for you to develop your car for the new SCCA FWD SM class.
The Front wheel Drive Street Mod class in relatively new and you will be one of the early participants. It is better to participate in a SCCA classes if you can. You can grow and even look forward to Tour, Divisionals and the Nationals. If all you want to do is drive your car near some cones do X runs. If you are going to race join a SCCA class if you can and put some real effort in it. You will find it more rewarding in the long run.
That is your class and it needs your support to live.Aaron Goldsmith wrote:From the last Fastrack about the SMF class doug is talking about.Doug Teulie wrote:When building a solo car it is best to do your class rules homework first before you spend money on modifications.Nathan Hall wrote:I ran in fsp at the El Toro event but i think im in the wrong class. The car has a 2.0 16v,koni adjs, neuspeed springs,no rear seat. Would i be able to run in historic ? If so what would be my pax? Thanks in advance Nate.
You have built a Front wheel Drive Street Mod car. It would be best (IMO) for you to develop your car for the new SCCA FWD SM class.
The Front wheel Drive Street Mod class in relatively new and you will be one of the early participants. It is better to participate in a SCCA classes if you can. You can grow and even look forward to Tour, Divisionals and the Nationals. If all you want to do is drive your car near some cones do X runs. If you are going to race join a SCCA class if you can and put some real effort in it. You will find it more rewarding in the long run.
STREET MODIFIED
- The SMAC feels that the prior proposal for SMF did not receive enough support to be considered for a national class at this
time. The SMAC would like to propose the following for a possible SMF provisional class for 2009:
- SMF would encompass ALL FWD cars under the current SM weight formula: 1550 lbs + 125 lbs/liter
- All SM rules will apply, with the following exceptions: Cars running in SMF using tires with a nominal width of 275 or less will
NOT receive the weight break as stated in SM. FWD vehicles originally classed in SSM (formerly known as SM2) add 100 lbs
to min weights.
- This class would be a supplemental class that will run with SM at the Solo Nationals. SM-eligible cars will be eligible for and
counted within SM for contingency, trophies, etc.
Your car was a FSP car that was missing a few items at the Divisional. Your car is no longer legal in any SCCA street prepared class because of your 2.0 16V motor. I think you need to add the bumpers to be in SM??? So it is possible that you may have an EP car now. If so then you need to run in Combined Preps and Mods with an EP pax.Nathan Hall wrote:Thank you for your input. I built the car to run NASA TTE. When i purchased the car it was missing lots of things that it needed to be a fsp car....bumpers,back seat.
True in general, but it sounds like he built the car to the NASA rules.. they just don't line up with SCCA rules favorably. I'd read the SM rules Nathan, that'd be the closest class it sounds like to me.Doug Teulie wrote:When building a solo car it is best to do your class rules homework first before you spend money on modifications.Nathan Hall wrote:Thank you for your input. I built the car to run NASA TTE. When i purchased the car it was missing lots of things that it needed to be a fsp car....bumpers,back seat.
Correct.Doug Teulie wrote:I think you need to add the bumpers to be in SM???
Sebastian Rios wrote:Correct.Doug Teulie wrote:I think you need to add the bumpers to be in SM???
SM is my vote. Get some bumpers and take them off when you don't need them.Aaron Goldsmith wrote:True in general, but it sounds like he built the car to the NASA rules.. they just don't line up with SCCA rules favorably. I'd read the SM rules Nathan, that'd be the closest class it sounds like to me.Doug Teulie wrote:[When building a solo car it is best to do your class rules homework first before you spend money on modifications.
Unless, of course, he wins ;)Mike Simanyi wrote:Or run in CSM or CST. Those are our "run what ya brung" classes. I can't imagine anyone protesting you for *any* configuration there if your car vaguely resembles something streetable.