Cougar Replacement

[Kurt Rahn]

The Genesis? I actually still have it

Is it currently parked on The Island of Misfit Cars?

[Jeff Ringer]

your thinking hyundai with cruize and not the lsd? :mrt:



the 911 with lsd sounds like a better choice then one of my favorites in that price range , the boxster s
rad - agreed regarding the e36 but true lsd makes it fun and handle like a proper sports sedan.. s2k ,m3's and others with 50/50f/r and proper(non electric) lsd make good autox cars. the porsches dynamics are still better with the low engine/rear bias - the steering , pedals and the shifter feel better then the other cars i drive with few exceptions

owning a used porsche can be scary for some .. i did own a 944s2 from age 22-29 and it was a great experience - the lack of depreciation made up for the extra repair costs in my situation

if a new car warranty is needed the hyundai seems fun only with the torsen and lighter engine

still think you would get more enjoyment from a s2000 at the track but seems like you want something larger

[Jeff Stuart]

your thinking hyundai with cruize and not the lsd? :mrt:

No, the R-Spec and Track models are the same, the R-Spec just has cruise control, bluetooth, and other assorted convenience items stripped out.

[Jeff Ringer]

wonder if the dealers are dealing
i thought those were 30k .. i guess they are more like 27

after a few years of ownership u have the nice option of chipping

[Q V]

i did own a 944s2 from age 22-29 and it was a great experience

you're older than that? I thought only asian ppl looked young, haha

Kind of back on topic... just fyi: an SL55 AMG also qualifies for HS.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

Kind of back on topic... just fyi: an SL55 AMG also qualifies for HS.

Sure it is. ;)

[Rad_ Delgado_]

The 1999 Carrera came with a mechanical limited slip diff.

All of them or was it an option? I'm seeing conflicting information on the interwebs.

KJ, the mechanical LSD was an option in 1999, most cars don't have it because typical Porsche buyers choose leather over LSD, and carbon interior pieces over carbon brakes. You can install the stock part to any 1999, but newer 996 Carrera (2000-2004) cannot use the LSD diff (not legal in a-stock) unless it is a 40th Anniversary 2004 Carrera, this car came with LSD (all of them).

The 996 with LSD feels very stable on transitions, during braking and has the ability to put power down on turn exit better. Even without the LSD, the 911 puts power down very well on turn exit (no waiting until straight steering wheel as the Barbie car, or gentle throttle like the Cayman S on turn exit).

A 1999 is a little slower than a 2004 40th Anniversary, but a 1999 with good shocks would run in front of a stock 40th Anniversary, but then you could install shocks to the 40th Anniversary and take the lead again.

Penske recently released shocks (last year) for the 996/997. JRZ, Moton, Sachs, Bilstein, KW already have remote canister double adjustable shocks for the 996.

[Doug Kott]

I'm pretty confident I don't want a FWD car.

I'm going to test drive a Genesis Coupe tomorrow night, so we'll see how that goes.

Jeff, make sure you drive a R Spec or Track model - the others don't have Brembos and also don't have a limited slip, and the car is useless without one! The R Spec is essentially just a stripper Track model, so the only difference is the options (and associated weight).

I'm testing a Track tomorrow. I know the R-Spec is technically better at autocrossing due to the decreased weight, but I don't drive anywhere without using cruise control and would not be a very happy camper without it. I'd want the other options too, since this is going to be my daily driver as well.

I do have a question for you: A few of the reviews I've read/watched have mentioned that the flywheel is too large and the engine is too slow to rev down. While not a huge issue for autocrossing, I'm wondering what you're opinion is?

Hey Jeff,

We tested one at R&T a while back, and the ECU does hold the E-throttle open more noticeably between shifts than in a lot of other cars. It's an emissions thing, as a suddenly closed throttle and fuel still in the cylinders makes for a nasty spike of unburned hydrocarbons. I didn't care for it much, but others on staff didn't seem to mind. Best to test-drive the car and see if it's an issue for you.

Whatever your pick, I like that you're leaning toward rear drive!

--Doug

[Jeff Stuart]

Hey Jeff,

We tested one at R&T a while back, and the ECU does hold the E-throttle open more noticeably between shifts than in a lot of other cars. It's an emissions thing, as a suddenly closed throttle and fuel still in the cylinders makes for a nasty spike of unburned hydrocarbons. I didn't care for it much, but others on staff didn't seem to mind. Best to test-drive the car and see if it's an issue for you.

Whatever your pick, I like that you're leaning toward rear drive!

--Doug

Thanks for the info Doug!

[Q V]

Kind of back on topic... just fyi: an SL55 AMG also qualifies for HS.

Sure it is. ;)

It falls under "Mercedes Not Otherwise Classified" - got the email confirmation from SCCA a while back when I was asking about the SL500.

[Leonard Cachola]

There's a thread over at Miata.net about the Genesis Coupe - one of the replies is from an owner who autocrosses:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=375066

[Jeff Stuart]

There's a thread over at Miata.net about the Genesis Coupe - one of the replies is from an owner who autocrosses:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=375066

Thanks for the link Leonard, good read. There is also a really long thread on scca forums (http://sccaforums.com/forums/1/393134/ShowThread.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) about it that I read through. They kind of go a bit off topic for awhile arguing about the legality of the camber bolts, but it was also a good read.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

Sure it is. ;)

It falls under "Mercedes Not Otherwise Classified" - got the email confirmation from SCCA a while back when I was asking about the SL500.

That also allows this in HS:

The new SL65 AMG Black Series coupe features a carbon-fiber fixed roof, front fenders, hood, trunk lid, and front and rear aprons. With the absence of retractable roof hardware, the car is more than 550 pounds lighter than the standard SL. AMG placed a modified version of the 6.0-liter AMG V12 engine that now delivers 670 PS (493 kW) and 1,000 N·m (740 lb·ft) of torque. This is the same 6.0L engine as used in the previous SL65 model with remapped timing and fuel curves to produce 58 PS more. Torque remains the same, as the previous model, due to transmission limitations. This engine has been labeled as the engine with the largest output that will be made by AMG. Its twin turbochargers are 12 percent larger, passages for intake air and the turbo wastegates have been modified, and the intake air intercooler is 30 percent more efficient. The result is 0-to-60 mph (97 km/h) acceleration of 3.8 seconds, and an electronically limited top speed of 198 mph (319 km/h).

[Mark DeShon]

What happened to the 350z/G35 idea?
Mark D.

[John Stimson]

It falls under "Mercedes Not Otherwise Classified" - got the email confirmation from SCCA a while back when I was asking about the SL500.

However, it is not eligible for Divisional or National events based on that listing.

[Jeff Stuart]

What happened to the 350z/G35 idea?
Mark D.

I'm not a fan of the G35, but the 350z is still in the picture. I went and test drove a 350Z NISMO today during lunch, it was nice

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

What happened to the 350z/G35 idea?
Mark D.

I'm not a fan of the G35, but the 350z is still in the picture. I went and test drove a 350Z NISMO today during lunch, it was nice

Tire killer. No camber, weak LSD, heavy and 19" rear tires $$$$ on the Nismo.

[Leonard Cachola]

I'm not a fan of the G35, but the 350z is still in the picture.

You do realize a 350z has only slight more room in the trunk than a Miata, right?

[Jeff Stuart]

I'm not a fan of the G35, but the 350z is still in the picture.

You do realize a 350z has less room in the trunk than a Miata, right?

Yeah... I guess I've talked myself out of that guideline. But I don't want a Miata for the same reason as a G35 and a Mustang, just don't like the looks.

[Ron Tsumura]

I'm not a fan of the G35, but the 350z is still in the picture.

You do realize a 350z has less room in the trunk than a Miata, right?

Yeah... I guess I've talked myself out of that guideline. But I don't want a Miata for the same reason as a G35 and a Mustang, just don't like the looks.

This from a guy who drives a Cougar. By choice...

[Jeff Stuart]

This from a guy who drives a Cougar. By choice...

Why do you think I'm looking for a new car!

[Ron Tsumura]

What about that new thing from Toyota/Subaru, FT-86 or something coming out soon?

[Jeff Stuart]

What about that new thing from Toyota/Subaru, FT-86 or something coming out soon?

Yeah, I saw that. It looks pretty cool, but Toyota has stated that it won't be available until early 2012.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

The NISMO has a stiffer unit body than the regular 350, but that's all moot for the reasons Jason stated.

How about an M Coupe? OK, that probably blows the tire budget.

[Doug Kott]

Those first-gen G35s have crazy power oversteer with the traction control switched off. Drove a friend's once at an auto-x, and it was pretty much undriveable!

Of course, with the right tweaks...

--Doug