February 6/7 Practice/Championship Event Weekend

[Aaron Goldsmith]

If an inexpensive national class is what you want, F125 is about as cheap as it gets. ST is pretty cheap too.

There are logistical issues with a kart, since you can't just hop in and drive it to the event. You have to look at the other costs and hassles involved in getting it where it needs to go. In addition, since a kart weighs about as much as a set of big-boy car tires, unless you're under 150 pounds, you have no hope of being competitive. You or I could have all the skills of Ayrton Senna, and neither of us could beat our local field. ST is nothing approximating cheap, unless you're comparing it to the cost of running competitively in FP or SM. If people had problems prepping their cars to compete against nationally prepped SK cars, they'd have a coronary if they saw the bill for prepping a competitive ST car. I know, because I seriously considered prepping a CRX for STS. SK is attractice because even fully prepped, you can still use it as your daily driver.

Eh, Sk should be just as expensive as running stock class. Minus a couple hundred bucks for a set of tires. If it was a national class you would need the same expensive shocks and swaybars and the same extra set of wheels with shaved tires on them. believe me, i've run street tire classes, and we went through more sets of tires on Max's STU car than we do in Toby's FP car. Toby's car could run for a full local season on one set of race tires, it's the 3 drivers and the nationals events that make it pricey, tire-wise.. but then again that's what co-drivers are for.

I don't know who told you I thought i was a good driver, I haven't won an event in years.

[Tom Denham]

If an inexpensive national class is what you want, F125 is about as cheap as it gets. ST is pretty cheap too.

There are logistical issues with a kart, since you can't just hop in and drive it to the event. You have to look at the other costs and hassles involved in getting it where it needs to go. In addition, since a kart weighs about as much as a set of big-boy car tires, unless you're under 150 pounds, you have no hope of being competitive. You or I could have all the skills of Ayrton Senna, and neither of us could beat our local field. ST is nothing approximating cheap, unless you're comparing it to the cost of running competitively in FP or SM. If people had problems prepping their cars to compete against nationally prepped SK cars, they'd have a coronary if they saw the bill for prepping a competitive ST car. I know, because I seriously considered prepping a CRX for STS. SK is attractice because even fully prepped, you can still use it as your daily driver.

Eh, Sk should be just as expensive as running stock class. Minus a couple hundred bucks for a set of tires. If it was a national class you would need the same expensive shocks and swaybars and the same extra set of wheels with shaved tires on them. believe me, i've run street tire classes, and we went through more sets of tires on Max's STU car than we do in Toby's FP car. Toby's car could run for a full local season on one set of race tires, it's the 3 drivers and the nationals events that make it pricey, tire-wise.. but then again that's what co-drivers are for.
I don't know who told you I thought i was a good driver, I haven't won an event in years.

Aaron that's not true, One set of Hoosiers are competitive for 3-5 events and that's with no Practice attendance.
The Dunlops Star specs lasted me a full season, including 80% of the practice events, and they are still sitting in my garage with enough Tread and grip to still be competitive in SK2.

So One set of Dunlops =$464.00 Three sets of Hoosiers for all events and a few practices=$2,808.00(not including a New set for the Pro and NT) AndI run 16" which is cheap compared to others.

[Mako Koiwai]

I haven't won an event in years.

The secret 2 being a popular co-drive!

[Aaron Goldsmith]

Aaron that's not true, One set of Hoosiers are competitive for 3-5 events and that's with no Practice attendance.
The Dunlops Star specs lasted me a full season, including 80% of the practice events, and they are still sitting in my garage with enough Tread and grip to still be competitive in SK2.

So One set of Dunlops =$464.00 Three sets of Hoosiers for all events and a few practices=$2,808.00(not including a New set for the Pro and NT) AndI run 16" which is cheap compared to others.

Well, i guess you could call me a lier, but it IS true. I used specific examples.. you actually think you know the tire usage of Max's STU car or Toby's BMW better than me?

Coarse that isn't even getting into all the sets of tires we had to buy just to test with on Max's car because there are so many street tires.

[Tom Denham]

Aaron that's not true, One set of Hoosiers are competitive for 3-5 events and that's with no Practice attendance.
The Dunlops Star specs lasted me a full season, including 80% of the practice events, and they are still sitting in my garage with enough Tread and grip to still be competitive in SK2.

So One set of Dunlops =$464.00 Three sets of Hoosiers for all events and a few practices=$2,808.00(not including a New set for the Pro and NT) AndI run 16" which is cheap compared to others.

Well, i guess you could call me a liar, but it IS true. I used specific examples.. you actually think you know the tire usage of Max's STU car or Toby's BMW better than me?

Coarse that isn't even getting into all the sets of tires we had to buy just to test with on Max's car because there are so many street tires.

No i don't know the tire wear of Max's car or Toby's better than you, did i say that? we are talking about an SK/Stock car.
I didn't call you a Liar, i Am saying you can't compare a Prepped Car with camber, to a Limited camber car as most Stock /SK2 are. Your comparing apples to oranges.
If we are discussing tire costs and wear for A SK car you have to base it on a comparable Stock class car, not Prepared cars.

[Aaron Goldsmith]

No i don't know the tire wear of Max's car or Toby's better than you, did i say that? we are talking about an SK/Stock car.
I didn't call you a Liar, i Am saying you can't compare a Prepped Car with camber, to a Limited camber car as most Stock /SK2 are. Your comparing apples to oranges.
If we are discussing tire costs and wear for A SK car you have to base it on a comparable Stock class car, not Prepared cars.

Maybe, but we are actually talking about it being a national class, which means, new shaved tires for every national event plus testing all of the top tires, plus an extra set of full treads in case it rains. That it's a good local class with great participation that you can run on a budget is totally true.

[Kurt Rahn]

If we are discussing tire costs and wear for A SK car you have to base it on a comparable Stock class car, not Prepared cars.

Bingo. With my Mini, given the fact that you can't dial any significant negative camber into it under the stock ruleset, I'd be buying new Hoosiers every 3-4 events. If I bought Kumhos instead for their increased wear, I could probably eek out 5-6 events. But if I wanted to be competitive at national events, Hoosiers are the way to go. As has already been pointed out in another thread, it's not a good idea to drive on a tire with one set of characteristics for local events, and a different set with different characteristics for another event. So if I'm driving in stock class in my Mini and doing all the local national events plus another ProSolo at Packwood or Wendover and nationals, I'm looking at $4000-6000 in tires (assuming the tires will get decimated at the three ProSolos), without being able to practice. Or I could buy two sets of Star Specs (one shaved for national events, one not for local events) for $508 each. That's a slam-dunk decision. It's all about the tires, and in this economy, with no SK classes, a whole set of competitors is left out.

[Kurt Rahn]

Maybe, but we are actually talking about it being a national class, which means, new shaved tires for every national event plus testing all of the top tires, plus an extra set of full treads in case it rains. That it's a good local class with great participation that you can run on a budget is totally true.

With three drivers in an STU car, you probably would need a fresh set of shaved tires for each national event, but I don't think that's the case with a one-driver car. Unlike Hoosiers, Star Specs don't go away after they've been used a few times. They're pretty consistent until you hit the wear bars.

[KJ Christopher]

The Dunlops Star specs lasted me a full season, including 80% of the practice events, and they are still sitting in my garage with enough Tread and grip to still be competitive in SK2..

Did you start with them shaved? As Aaron mentioned, if this were a national class, the national types would all have shaved tires. I got a full season out of my full=tread depth RE01Rs, but they weren't ideal.

[Kurt Rahn]

The Dunlops Star specs lasted me a full season, including 80% of the practice events, and they are still sitting in my garage with enough Tread and grip to still be competitive in SK2..

Did you start with them shaved? As Aaron mentioned, if this were a national class, the national types would all have shaved tires. I got a full season out of my full=tread depth RE01Rs, but they weren't ideal.

Even if I had to buy two sets, they're still cheaper than one set of Hoosiers.

[Tom Denham]

No i don't know the tire wear of Max's car or Toby's better than you, did i say that? we are talking about an SK/Stock car.
I didn't call you a Liar, i Am saying you can't compare a Prepped Car with camber, to a Limited camber car as most Stock /SK2 are. Your comparing apples to oranges.
If we are discussing tire costs and wear for A SK car you have to base it on a comparable Stock class car, not Prepared cars.

Maybe, but we are actually talking about it being a national class, which means, new shaved tires for every national event plus testing all of the top tires, plus an extra set of full treads in case it rains. That it's a good local class with great participation that you can run on a budget is totally true.

This is where we agree to disagree. I never shaved a set of dunlops. I wouldn't buy a set for rain. but maybe ONE new set for the National eventS. And i didnt include Hoosier rains in my Tire cost post.

So Lets compare

So three sets of Dunlops =1392.00 +25.00 per tire shaved=300.00total dry tires= 1692.00+full tread(424.00)=2116.00
Threes sets of Hoosiers =2808.00+ 904.00wets=3712.00
1596.00 dollar differance.
PS all this math makes my Brain hurt.

[KJ Christopher]

With enough demand, we could create a national class. So far, the limited data says that when people offered to go through great behind the scene efforts to accommodate street tires, two people showed up. (Citing Tom's post above.) It doesn't initially appear that the 'street tire types' are 'national types' unless they are given other ways to make up for the lack of grip. So we ended up with the ST classes in their current state. It would be great if the demand were high enough that we could create the class. I'm all for increased participation. So far they haven't stepped up the plate when asked. Hopefully, they will be given another chance to show support at the NT and Pro.

Could always write the SEB and suggest a 140 minimum for Stock classes. At least get your opinion/letter logged.

[Tom Denham]

The Dunlops Star specs lasted me a full season, including 80% of the practice events, and they are still sitting in my garage with enough Tread and grip to still be competitive in SK2..

Did you start with them shaved? As Aaron mentioned, if this were a national class, the national types would all have shaved tires. I got a full season out of my full=tread depth RE01Rs, but they weren't ideal.

No Dunlops don't need Shaving in my opinion.

see my latest post which includes tire shaving.

[Kurt Rahn]

With enough demand, we could create a national class. So far, the limited data says that when people offered to go through great behind the scene efforts to accommodate street tires, two people showed up. (Citing Tom's post above.) It doesn't initially appear that the 'street tire types' are 'national types' unless they are given other ways to make up for the lack of grip. So we ended up with the ST classes in their current state. It would be great if the demand were high enough that we could create the class. I'm all for increased participation. So far they haven't stepped up the plate when asked. Hopefully, they will be given another chance to show support at the NT and Pro.

Okay, you heard that SK peeps! Get your butts registered for the ProSolo and SD national tour!

[Tom Denham]

Last years NT tour SK2 class

Pos br Driver's name, Town Car, Sponsor Tire Mfg Rgn,Div Course 1, Course 2 Score
T 1 61 Kevin ONeill 2008 Audi TT Quattro Dunlop Arizona Reg 63.101(1) 62.911(1) 60.469 98.076
Mesa, AZ SP 66.722(2) 59.282 61.579(1) (DS 0.819)
T 2 168 Justin Tsang 2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3 Dunlop San Francis 64.865(2) 60.649 66.084(2) 98.962
[68] Fremont, CA Kidder, Lubrify, Craftwerx NP DNF 69.028(2) 60.184 (DS 0.819)
T 3 27 Adrian Covert 2007 MINI Cooper S Dunlop Cal Club Re 62.115 60.914 60.964 99.096
Downey, CA SP 64.663(2) 59.787 60.074 (GS 0.821)
T 4 68 Mack Tsang 2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed3 Dunlop San Francis 62.272 70.459(1) 63.343(1) 99.319
[168] Fremont, CA Kidder,CPS,Lubrify,Craftwerx NP 62.710(1) 58.997 61.544(1) (DS 0.819)
5 180 Ernest Limbo 2002 Mini Cooper Dunlop Cal Club Re DNF 63.367 62.811 99.632
[80] Cerritos, CA Limbo Family/ Team Tae SP DNF 62.155 61.419 (HS 0.802)
6 88 Martin Coghill 1999 Mazda Miata Toyo San Diego R 60.450 60.418 60.232 99.756
San Diego, CA SP 59.548 59.018 58.951 (CS 0.837)
7 199 Greg Woelke 2003 Mazda MX5 Toyo San Diego R 60.857 61.142 60.307 99.857
[99] Encinitas, CA http://www.c2racers.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SP 59.400 58.996 59.075 (CS 0.837)
8 99 Matt Martis 2003 Mazda Miata Toyo San Diego R 64.350(2) 60.814 63.957(2) 100.874
[199] Bonita, CA http://www.C2racers.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SP 59.866 DNF 59.704 (CS 0.837)
9 80 John Limbo 2002 Mini Cooper Dunlop Cal Club Re 64.593 63.848 64.116 102.163
[180] Artesia, CA Pumkin Inc./RMB Tires/Team Tae SP 66.260(1) 63.537 63.857 (HS 0.802)
10 38 Doug Seybert 2004 Ford Focus SVT Dunlop San Diego R 68.218(2) 63.600 65.244(1) 103.281
San Diego, CA SP 62.199 DNF 63.041 (GS 0.821)
11 34 Siho Lee 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder Bridgestone New York R 65.951 64.145 65.170(1) 105.455
Los Angeles, CA NE 62.230 DNF 61.847 (CS 0.837)
12 3 Robert Heaslet 2003 Mazda Miate Yokohama 69.023 71.711 71.177(1) 113.280
, 66.317 DNF 68.141 (CS 0.837)
13 1 Michael Lyons 2001 Chevy Camaro BFGoodrich 75.161 74.584 73.935 120.650
, 73.219 DNF 73.020 (GS 0.821)

13Total not all local
More entrants than some stock classes

[Tom Denham]

With enough demand, we could create a national class. So far, the limited data says that when people offered to go through great behind the scene efforts to accommodate street tires, two people showed up. (Citing Tom's post above.) It doesn't initially appear that the 'street tire types' are 'national types' unless they are given other ways to make up for the lack of grip. So we ended up with the ST classes in their current state. It would be great if the demand were high enough that we could create the class. I'm all for increased participation. So far they haven't stepped up the plate when asked. Hopefully, they will be given another chance to show support at the NT and Pro.

Okay, you heard that SK peeps! Get your butts registered for the ProSolo and SD national tour!

Please do as i hope there will be another SK class at the 2011NT and Pro

My Year on R's ends after the 2010 NT and Pro

[Aaron Goldsmith]

The Dunlops Star specs lasted me a full season, including 80% of the practice events, and they are still sitting in my garage with enough Tread and grip to still be competitive in SK2..

Did you start with them shaved? As Aaron mentioned, if this were a national class, the national types would all have shaved tires. I got a full season out of my full=tread depth RE01Rs, but they weren't ideal.

Even if I had to buy two sets, they're still cheaper than one set of Hoosiers.

Data did show a drop off on the star specs after a few heat cycles. But you wouldn't run a full national season on 2 sets, when you have spent all the money you have spent and invested all the time you have, doing testing, getting the car sorted, taking the car to SD, Wendover, Packwood, Lincoln, are you really going to show up on less than the optimal tire? How crappy would it feel to lose a national championship by a tenth and not know if it was because you didn't put new tires on the car. So.. you put new tires on the car for every National event. Luckily that does leave you with good leftover rubber to run locally.

Another problem is that the setup for Brand New tires is slightly different than the optimal setup for used tires, so you can't do your early season testing on used tires, so that's other set. So that's 5 sets, 1 for testing, 1 tour, 2 pros and Nationals.. and if you're doing the pro's you'll do the pro finale.. and you might want a new set to swap to after the Pro finale but before Nationals. So 6 sets.. I think that's what we went through on Max's car. I'd probably cut a few off for a single driver who isn't rich... but you see how it snowballs once it's a national class.

Maybe I'm just expecting other people to run at the same prep level I would want to, not everyone is willing to do that.

[Leonard Cachola]

SK is attractice because even fully prepped, you can still use it as your daily driver.

Oh, I don't know about that. When I had my car working on the uber revalved Bilsteins for all of two weeks last year (loooong story that I don't really need to go into here), my stock-class car was barely tolerable as a daily driver. Usable, sure. Tolerable... um... yeah.

[Kurt Rahn]

Data did show a drop off on the star specs after a few heat cycles. But you wouldn't run a full national season on 2 sets, when you have spent all the money you have spent and invested all the time you have, doing testing, getting the car sorted, taking the car to SD, Wendover, Packwood, Lincoln, are you really going to show up on less than the optimal tire? How crappy would it feel to lose a national championship by a tenth and not know if it was because you didn't put new tires on the car. So.. you put new tires on the car for every National event. Luckily that does leave you with good leftover rubber to run locally.

Another problem is that the setup for Brand New tires is slightly different than the optimal setup for used tires, so you can't do your early season testing on used tires, so that's other set. So that's 5 sets, 1 for testing, 1 tour, 2 pros and Nationals.. and if you're doing the pro's you'll do the pro finale.. and you might want a new set to swap to after the Pro finale but before Nationals. So 6 sets.. I think that's what we went through on Max's car. I'd probably cut a few off for a single driver who isn't rich... but you see how it snowballs once it's a national class.

At six sets of tires, the tally is $600 pre set of shaved Star Specs and $1000 per set of Hoosiers. $6000-$3600=$2400. My case rests.

[Tom Denham]

The Dunlops Star specs

Data did show a drop off on the star specs after a few heat cycles. But you wouldn't run a full national season on 2 sets, when you have spent all the money you have spent and invested all the time you have, doing testing, getting the car sorted, taking the car to SD, Wendover, Packwood, Lincoln, are you really going to show up on less than the optimal tire? How crappy would it feel to lose a national championship by a tenth and not know if it was because you didn't put new tires on the car. So.. you put new tires on the car for every National event. Luckily that does leave you with good leftover rubber to run locally.

Another problem is that the setup for Brand New tires is slightly different than the optimal setup for used tires, so you can't do your early season testing on used tires, so that's other set. So that's 5 sets, 1 for testing, 1 tour, 2 pros and Nationals.. and if you're doing the pro's you'll do the pro finale.. and you might want a new set to swap to after the Pro finale but before Nationals. So 6 sets.. I think that's what we went through on Max's car. I'd probably cut a few off for a single driver who isn't rich... but you see how it snowballs once it's a national class.

You also have to set the car up for R's which take runs, which wears the tire, which requires a new set .

So we will agree to disagree.
Because any way you/I spin it, it's a conundrum.

[Kurt Rahn]

Oh, I don't know about that. When I had my car working on the uber revalved Bilsteins for all of two weeks last year (loooong story that I don't really need to go into here), my stock-class car was barely tolerable as a daily driver. Usable, sure. Tolerable... um... yeah.

If we're talking about nationally prepped cars, we'll be talking about DAs, which, put on their soft setting, are going to be less stiff than my stock suspension.

Edit: Wow, I guess I should've started a new thread for this. Didn't think it was going to get so lively.

[Tom Denham]

.

Maybe I'm just expecting other people to run at the same prep level I would want to, not everyone is willing to do that.

Everyone wants to run The same prep level as you,, Some of us can't afford that.
Not your fault.

But it's a fact.

[KJ Christopher]

Last years NT tour SK2 class

Pos br Driver's name, Town Car, Sponsor Tire Mfg Rgn,Div Course 1, Course 2 Score
T 1 61 Kevin ONeill 2008 Audi TT Quattro Dunlop Arizona Reg 63.101(1) 62.911(1) 60.469 98.076
Mesa, AZ SP 66.722(2) 59.282 61.579(1) (DS 0.819)
T 2 168 Justin Tsang 2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3 Dunlop San Francis 64.865(2) 60.649 66.084(2) 98.962
[68] Fremont, CA Kidder, Lubrify, Craftwerx NP DNF 69.028(2) 60.184 (DS 0.819)
T 3 27 Adrian Covert 2007 MINI Cooper S Dunlop Cal Club Re 62.115 60.914 60.964 99.096
Downey, CA SP 64.663(2) 59.787 60.074 (GS 0.821)
T 4 68 Mack Tsang 2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed3 Dunlop San Francis 62.272 70.459(1) 63.343(1) 99.319
[168] Fremont, CA Kidder,CPS,Lubrify,Craftwerx NP 62.710(1) 58.997 61.544(1) (DS 0.819)
5 180 Ernest Limbo 2002 Mini Cooper Dunlop Cal Club Re DNF 63.367 62.811 99.632
[80] Cerritos, CA Limbo Family/ Team Tae SP DNF 62.155 61.419 (HS 0.802)
6 88 Martin Coghill 1999 Mazda Miata Toyo San Diego R 60.450 60.418 60.232 99.756
San Diego, CA SP 59.548 59.018 58.951 (CS 0.837)
7 199 Greg Woelke 2003 Mazda MX5 Toyo San Diego R 60.857 61.142 60.307 99.857
[99] Encinitas, CA http://www.c2racers.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SP 59.400 58.996 59.075 (CS 0.837)
8 99 Matt Martis 2003 Mazda Miata Toyo San Diego R 64.350(2) 60.814 63.957(2) 100.874
[199] Bonita, CA http://www.C2racers.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SP 59.866 DNF 59.704 (CS 0.837)
9 80 John Limbo 2002 Mini Cooper Dunlop Cal Club Re 64.593 63.848 64.116 102.163
[180] Artesia, CA Pumkin Inc./RMB Tires/Team Tae SP 66.260(1) 63.537 63.857 (HS 0.802)
10 38 Doug Seybert 2004 Ford Focus SVT Dunlop San Diego R 68.218(2) 63.600 65.244(1) 103.281
San Diego, CA SP 62.199 DNF 63.041 (GS 0.821)
11 34 Siho Lee 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder Bridgestone New York R 65.951 64.145 65.170(1) 105.455
Los Angeles, CA NE 62.230 DNF 61.847 (CS 0.837)
12 3 Robert Heaslet 2003 Mazda Miate Yokohama 69.023 71.711 71.177(1) 113.280
, 66.317 DNF 68.141 (CS 0.837)
13 1 Michael Lyons 2001 Chevy Camaro BFGoodrich 75.161 74.584 73.935 120.650
, 73.219 DNF 73.020 (GS 0.821)

13Total not all local
More entrants than some stock classes

I meant Tom Tanquary's post. Sorry - it was in a different thread. I guess more SK2 support than SK1.

I ran SK1 at the tour in SD last year. I had high hopes. Only 2 of us showed up. And they put us in totally separate run groups. Then they fixed that. Then they disqualified me just before my last run because tech gave me the wrong size windshield banner. I won't be doing that again.

[Tom Denham]

Last years NT tour SK2 class

Pos br Driver's name, Town Car, Sponsor Tire Mfg Rgn,Div Course 1, Course 2 Score
T 1 61 Kevin ONeill 2008 Audi TT Quattro Dunlop Arizona Reg 63.101(1) 62.911(1) 60.469 98.076
Mesa, AZ SP 66.722(2) 59.282 61.579(1) (DS 0.819)
T 2 168 Justin Tsang 2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3 Dunlop San Francis 64.865(2) 60.649 66.084(2) 98.962
[68] Fremont, CA Kidder, Lubrify, Craftwerx NP DNF 69.028(2) 60.184 (DS 0.819)
T 3 27 Adrian Covert 2007 MINI Cooper S Dunlop Cal Club Re 62.115 60.914 60.964 99.096
Downey, CA SP 64.663(2) 59.787 60.074 (GS 0.821)
T 4 68 Mack Tsang 2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed3 Dunlop San Francis 62.272 70.459(1) 63.343(1) 99.319
[168] Fremont, CA Kidder,CPS,Lubrify,Craftwerx NP 62.710(1) 58.997 61.544(1) (DS 0.819)
5 180 Ernest Limbo 2002 Mini Cooper Dunlop Cal Club Re DNF 63.367 62.811 99.632
[80] Cerritos, CA Limbo Family/ Team Tae SP DNF 62.155 61.419 (HS 0.802)
6 88 Martin Coghill 1999 Mazda Miata Toyo San Diego R 60.450 60.418 60.232 99.756
San Diego, CA SP 59.548 59.018 58.951 (CS 0.837)
7 199 Greg Woelke 2003 Mazda MX5 Toyo San Diego R 60.857 61.142 60.307 99.857
[99] Encinitas, CA http://www.c2racers.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SP 59.400 58.996 59.075 (CS 0.837)
8 99 Matt Martis 2003 Mazda Miata Toyo San Diego R 64.350(2) 60.814 63.957(2) 100.874
[199] Bonita, CA http://www.C2racers.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SP 59.866 DNF 59.704 (CS 0.837)
9 80 John Limbo 2002 Mini Cooper Dunlop Cal Club Re 64.593 63.848 64.116 102.163
[180] Artesia, CA Pumkin Inc./RMB Tires/Team Tae SP 66.260(1) 63.537 63.857 (HS 0.802)
10 38 Doug Seybert 2004 Ford Focus SVT Dunlop San Diego R 68.218(2) 63.600 65.244(1) 103.281
San Diego, CA SP 62.199 DNF 63.041 (GS 0.821)
11 34 Siho Lee 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder Bridgestone New York R 65.951 64.145 65.170(1) 105.455
Los Angeles, CA NE 62.230 DNF 61.847 (CS 0.837)
12 3 Robert Heaslet 2003 Mazda Miate Yokohama 69.023 71.711 71.177(1) 113.280
, 66.317 DNF 68.141 (CS 0.837)
13 1 Michael Lyons 2001 Chevy Camaro BFGoodrich 75.161 74.584 73.935 120.650
, 73.219 DNF 73.020 (GS 0.821)

13Total not all local
More entrants than some stock classes

I meant Tom Tanquary's post. Sorry - it was in a different thread. I guess more SK2 support than SK1.

I ran SK1 at the tour in SD last year. I had high hopes. Only 2 of us showed up. And they put us in totally separate run groups. Then they fixed that. Then they disqualified me just before my last run because tech gave me the wrong size windshield banner. I won't be doing that again.

OH lot's of Toms in our Region

[Aaron Goldsmith]

At six sets of tires, the tally is $600 pre set of shaved Star Specs and $1000 per set of Hoosiers. $6000-$3600=$2400. My case rests.

The Dunlops were almost 900 bucks a set when we were buying them for Max's car. At the time it was about 950 for the same size 710's and at the time we could have gotten contigency money for 710's and we bought all those Dunlops ourselves. Prices must have dropped a bunch since 2008. Looks like it would be about 800 now. The gap is incredibly variable depending on which tires you run on both sides.

Either way.. running nationality is not cheap, but it is fun and very rewarding if anyone wants to take that step.