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Max Hayter wrote: How do you come up with that theory?!! Mind you, I did beat Isley at the Pro Finale this year:) Also, it makes no sense to me that STU is that much tougher than STX.

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote: I have to wonder if your car was a little better than mine in the rain...

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote: What are you going to compete in for next year now that you've sold the STi?

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Max Hayter wrote:I'm committed to driving either a STS2 Miata, a STU STI, a DS 09 WRX, an AS STI or a SS Z06. Hopefully things will clarify themselves in a few weeks!

Max Hayter wrote: Rain, what rain!

Steve Ekstrand wrote:There is a WHOLE LOT MORE to SP than R-Comps when comparing STU.

Glenn Duensing wrote:D*mn Rustangs

Glenn Duensing wrote:D*mn Rustangs

Don Salyers wrote:

Glenn Duensing wrote:D*mn Rustangs

Glenn: That's Shelby GT's--not good olde Mustangs, Camaros, or Firebirds. They should all be turned into CP cars!!!

I like mine too much to take a Sawzall to it. Therefore, I went to GP and cleaned up one wreck out of the backyard. You probably could do the same, you must have at least one old SS sitting around awaiting the saw, sledge hammer, and torch.

Don

Robert Puertas wrote:Is it a 5.0 or a 5.7?
You could always run STX or STU...

Don Salyers wrote:

Robert Puertas wrote:Is it a 5.0 or a 5.7?
You could always run STX or STU...

There's something about this I do not understand, STX and STU, I get to run against all-wheel drive cars on restricted tire sizes and the PAX is harder than FS. OH, I get it, I get to trick out a mustang, put whatever ST allows and still get to run against all-wheel drive cars with 245's or 275's "street" tires. If it is a good idea the world is sure keeping it a secret, of the 72 cars at Nationals there was a grand total of 0 American made iron.

There are no FS cars in LA or San Diego--only a very few on the west coast--with the addition of the "special" mustangs, the SCCA got what it wanted a faster FS class and in effect eliminated every other older Mustang, Camaro, or Firebird from serious competition.

Don

Bill Schenker wrote:CSP tougher than BSP.

Right. Think about it. A better suspensioned, higher HP & tq., nearly the same weight (+100 lbs?) than my car, the S2000, gets SLAUGHTERED by the Evo, and BSP has a lower PAX?!

RR is smoking crack (sorry Rick, I know you read this board, but you got this one wrong). Make CSP higher, in relation to AM, but put it ahead, and that far ahead of BSP? No. That close to ASP? No. And 0.003 behind DP?! I run the same engine as I have now (not even bother to up by 30-50 hp by going to a full-blown DP motor), I put in a roll bar, I run nearly the same weight, except I rearrange it in a MAJOR way (to my benefit) I run SLICKS, and I only have to run 0.18 on a 60 SEC. COURSE faster to beat my CSP PAX???!!! Rick, you can't be serious.

Look at "best of breed". And ASP? Did you not look @ Ken's results this year here?! The totally non-Corvette friendly East course @ HPT?! I know he didn't come out that much, but please - you've got a real good opportunity here in CalClub, Rick; the best BSP driver/car in the country, the best ASP driver/car in the country, then take a look how they do against a top CSP driver/car (They go faster, Rick. And in Ken's case, wayyy faster) - it's real simple. (not to mention BS, CS and top performers in AS and STU).

Got this one wrong.

Glenn Duensing wrote:

Don Salyers wrote:

Robert Puertas wrote:Is it a 5.0 or a 5.7?
You could always run STX or STU...

There's something about this I do not understand, STX and STU, I get to run against all-wheel drive cars on restricted tire sizes and the PAX is harder than FS. OH, I get it, I get to trick out a mustang, put whatever ST allows and still get to run against all-wheel drive cars with 245's or 275's "street" tires. If it is a good idea the world is sure keeping it a secret, of the 72 cars at Nationals there was a grand total of 0 American made iron.

There are no FS cars in LA or San Diego--only a very few on the west coast--with the addition of the "special" mustangs, the SCCA got what it wanted a faster FS class and in effect eliminated every other older Mustang, Camaro, or Firebird from serious competition.

Don

A couple people tried it on the East coast with not to good results. Several people pushed the Shellby with SCCA and they got it. IMHO the Shellby should have gone to BS. FS has gone from .809 to .833 in two years because of it.

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:

Glenn Duensing wrote:

Don Salyers wrote: There's something about this I do not understand, STX and STU, I get to run against all-wheel drive cars on restricted tire sizes and the PAX is harder than FS. OH, I get it, I get to trick out a mustang, put whatever ST allows and still get to run against all-wheel drive cars with 245's or 275's "street" tires. If it is a good idea the world is sure keeping it a secret, of the 72 cars at Nationals there was a grand total of 0 American made iron.

There are no FS cars in LA or San Diego--only a very few on the west coast--with the addition of the "special" mustangs, the SCCA got what it wanted a faster FS class and in effect eliminated every other older Mustang, Camaro, or Firebird from serious competition.

Don

A couple people tried it on the East coast with not to good results. Several people pushed the Shellby with SCCA and they got it. IMHO the Shellby should have gone to BS. FS has gone from .809 to .833 in two years because of it.

FS has also seen its best numbers in years thanks to the Shelby. imho without it, FS as you knew it would be gone. I think all of FS would have moved into BS without the Shelby, the numbers were a joke - and FS has not had big numbers on the west coast in over 10 years. It was a dying class.

Bill Schenker wrote:CSP tougher than BSP.

<various bitching snipped>

Right. Got this one wrong.

Marshall Grice wrote:...the "less then" best car in CSP

To call my car that is a disservice to me and the car

has beaten the "best" car in BSP on raw time about 50/50 this year.

then you haven't been paying attention to the results for the 2nd half of the season after upgrading your diff(s)!

Scale your local performance by roughly your performance at nationals

the unique opportunity we have here is that we DON'T have to base it on one race on an F-ed up surface, on short courses.

and i think you would end up pretty close to the new CSP index (just doing the math in my head). I'm not saying it's right, but i can see the math backing it up.

Gary Thomason wrote:... (based on exactly one overachieving BSP car in the country).