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Mako Koiwai wrote:Ad agency and client in their video village for a TGIF commercial shoot. 7 Macs, 1 PC ... belonging to the corporate type client rep. I counted 18 Mac laptops on that job, between crew and agency.

you've gotta question how much of that is due to the "dummy factor" of the mac vs. PC. it all stems from the original single mouse button.

remember that there's very little software that's mac-proprietary. anything the industry widely uses is available on both the PC and Mac platform, and if there's going to be weighted to one side, I'm pretty sure it'd fall on the side of the PC.

so again, how much of that is because:
1. mac is more trendy
2. cost is being written off, so the premium of the mac over a pc isn't that big of a deal
3. dummy factor

i fully appreciate why some people prefer macs over pc, but i have never, ever, bought into the idea that macs are BETTER than pc, and have yet to actually hear anyone give any example that may lead me to believe otherwise.

My students, my little brothers, they all want Mac's... My business customers all use PC's....

Unless you're in advertising, entertainment, unemployed, or a student..... You're a PC.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Unless you're in advertising, entertainment, unemployed, or a student..... You're a PC.

what does Nadya Suleman use? }:)

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:Didn't know you were on a Mac, no clue then.

What's a Mac?? Is that a new toy for kids?

No, it's the machine that 95% of all video editing is done on for feature films. Also the machine that's been used to produce everything Pixar has made.

Yet it's NOWHERE in the 95% of the corporate world. That's where money is made. Mac's are niche products (except for the iPod/iPhone/iTouch)

Steve Ekstrand wrote:My students, my little brothers, they all want Mac's... My business customers all use PC's....

Unless you're in advertising, entertainment, unemployed, or a student..... You're a PC.

BINGO! Steve nailed it!

Jeff Shyu wrote:

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Unless you're in advertising, entertainment, unemployed, or a student..... You're a PC.

what does Nadya Suleman use? }:)

Man is that a big duh.... Which is more expensive???

Steve Ekstrand wrote:

Jeff Shyu wrote:

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Unless you're in advertising, entertainment, unemployed, or a student..... You're a PC.

what does Nadya Suleman use? }:)

Man is that a big duh.... Which is more expensive???

there should be an anti-mac ad, to combat the ones that justin long has been doing.

it'll just have a picture of the octo-mom, holding a mac.

and then big bold letters.

"nadya suleman uses mac".. :ibrightdea:

Jeff Shyu wrote:i fully appreciate why some people prefer macs over pc, but i have never, ever, bought into the idea that macs are BETTER than pc, and have yet to actually hear anyone give any example that may lead me to believe otherwise.

It pretty much comes down to what works best for you and what you can be most efficient on. I've used a Mac since I was in college and while I've had to use a PC for work here and there, I've personally owned Macs ever since. I've never really bought into the whole Mac evangelism thing. I really don't care what anyone else uses, except when some moron creates something for public/business use and makes it PC-only, when it could just have easily been cross-platform.

Jeff Shyu wrote:what does Nadya Suleman use?

The system!

Kurt Rahn wrote:except when some moron creates something for public/business use and makes it PC-only, when it could just have easily been cross-platform.

don't the intel based macs run all pc software now anyways? i mean, even w/o any emulation software.

Wow...talk about how Mac users are obnoxious and fanatic. You guys sound just like them, but with an extra chip of justification on your shoulders.

Jeff Shyu wrote:

Kurt Rahn wrote:except when some moron creates something for public/business use and makes it PC-only, when it could just have easily been cross-platform.

don't the intel based macs run all pc software now anyways? i mean, even w/o any emulation software.

Yup. I just installed XP Pro on someone's iMac. Worked beautifully. Really weird looking at a Mac running Windows, though.

That would be like putting a lift kit on a Miata.

LOL

All I know is that when Karen is working at home on her IBM laptop, company provided, instead of going to the office, it's I.T. this, I.T. that.

At Henry's Studio, it's the PC that seems to always have to be restarted ... while the six Mac's purr along.

Then there are the nightmare stories of installing and upgrading PC software. And isn't Vista causing a lot of hair pulling?

I'm sure it's all about what one is used to. I can't find my way around a PC ... it's like it's a Tom Berry Saturday course. (not really)

AND, the Mac Air can be used as a cake cutter in an emergency, it's that thin.

Mako Koiwai wrote:All I know is that when Karen is working at home on her IBM laptop, company provided, instead of going to the office, it's I.T. this, I.T. that.
At Henry's Studio, it's the PC that seems to always have to be restarted ... while the six Mac's purr along.

well, what's karen using on the laptop, that's causing her to have to contact IT?

are the macs running the same program and not having issues?

a lot of times, these anecdotes are comparing apples to oranges. maybe karen's computer is being used to compute the last digit of Pi with the cpu churning at 100%, while the mac is browsing Solo2.com.. :unimpressed:

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
No, it's the machine that 95% of all video editing is done on for feature films. Also the machine that's been used to produce everything Pixar has made.

Yet it's NOWHERE in the 95% of the corporate world. That's where money is made. Mac's are niche products (except for the iPod/iPhone/iTouch)

Nowhere? Try just about every graphics department at companies across all industries. Last I heard, Pixar's movies gross millions of dollars.

As for software exclusivity, several programs started on the Mac and weren't ported to PC until MS cured some of the issues with Windows. Photoshop stands out as one of those.

Overall, I don't care what anybody else uses. Pick your poison.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:That would be like putting a lift kit on a Miata.

Why is that? It's the same Intel Core Duo processor.

That's the niche Bob. We get it. Mac has its niche.

Enter the boring world 95% of business lives and the Mac doesn't exist. That will change has the platform becomes largely irrelevant. It has already changed to a large degree. But its still true enough.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:That's the niche Bob. We get it. Mac has its niche.

Enter the boring world 95% of business lives and the Mac doesn't exist. That will change has the platform becomes largely irrelevant. It has already changed to a large degree. But its still true enough.

if i ever become the boss of a big company, and have to buy 500+ computers.

i have to hire IT dept anyways,

would i pick the much cheaper, slightly less reliable (so i'm told) PC, or the much more expensive, more reliable, mac?

Jeff Shyu wrote:

Steve Ekstrand wrote:That's the niche Bob. We get it. Mac has its niche.

Enter the boring world 95% of business lives and the Mac doesn't exist. That will change has the platform becomes largely irrelevant. It has already changed to a large degree. But its still true enough.

if i ever become the boss of a big company, and have to buy 500+ computers.

i have to hire IT dept anyways,

would i pick the much cheaper, slightly less reliable (so i'm told) PC, or the much more expensive, more reliable, mac?

You'd pick cheap. And if you actually run a company needing 500 computers you'd delegate to your IT VP, who would buy PCs because the maintenance needs help justify having more IT employees.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:That's the niche Bob. We get it. Mac has its niche.

Enter the boring world 95% of business lives and the Mac doesn't exist. That will change has the platform becomes largely irrelevant. It has already changed to a large degree. But its still true enough.

Bravo for corporate America!

The only use I might have for a Windows machine is ECU tuning software. Outside of that I have no desire to work in a Windows environment at home. The only thing worse then using Windows is using it with poorly designed enterprise software. Wait, "poorly designed enterprise software" is redundant.

Seriously.... Go back a decade.

You're choosing between mac and PC in a normal business. Cost of the basic hardware isn't even close to the first item in the list.

You have to consider the applications, the connectivity, the transportibility of data... You have to consider the availability of the hardware, support, peripherals. And who is going to do programming for you?

Its been a niche. That's changing, but its slow. Only in maybe the last 5 years could a Mac be considered in a normal business environment.

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:something about Mac reliability

i worked the cal poly pomona architecture dept's computer lab for 3 years while in college, and we had a 50/50 split of PC lab + Mac lab.

i think you would be quite surprised at which we had to repair more.

the only good thing i can say about the mac, is that it packages easily to ship back.

blah, quoted the wrong post.