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Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:26 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:
Interesting article, but I think the first paragraph is a misrepresentation about why Ferrari opposes the new regulations, as seen in the statement from Ferrari it is the two tier regulations that is the main issue.
The dispute over the Formula 1 budget cap has turned into a full blown crisis, with Ferrari announcing today that it will not enter the Formula 1 World Championship in 2010 unless the budget cap is revoked. This is a rather short-sighted view as without a budget cap there are likely to be several teams going out of business. It remains to be seen whether the other members of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) will stand with Ferrari. If they do, then the FIA and the Formula One group have a real problem, as they will have to try to organise a World Championship without suitable entries
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12703/900/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
the 2010 season will see the introduction of two different sets of regulations based on arbitrary technical rules and economic parameters
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The same rules for all teams, stability of regulations, the continuity of the FOTA’s endeavours to methodically and progressively reduce costs, and governance of Formula 1 are the priorities for the future
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Splitting semantic hairs. As the budget cap rule now stands, Ferrari won't compete 2010. The FIA claims it has 8 teams lined up if the top factories bail, but that's more bluff than anything. One team for sure and several very big maybes.
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:53 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Anything new with US F1 ?
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:09 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Ferrari, McClaren, Williams, BMW-Sauber et al are looking largely irrelevant.
As long as Brawn, Red Bull, and Force India play.....

Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:29 pm
by Kristoffer Gjevre
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Ferrari, McClaren, Williams, BMW-Sauber et al are looking largely irrelevant.
As long as Brawn, Red Bull, and Force India play.....

"Red Bull join the list of teams threatening to quit"
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 99,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And that is 2 teams...
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:46 am
by Chuck Fowler
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Ferrari, McClaren, Williams, BMW-Sauber et al are looking largely irrelevant.
As long as Brawn, Red Bull, and Force India play.....

unless they move to kart tracks, i'm not seeing th point of only 6 cars on course. i believe Varsha et all talked about 2 US teams for next year, so your looking at 8 - 10 cars with Toyota if the others bail? i'd hate to see less than 20 cars on the grid.
the 2 tier could work, it would sure make traffic a bigger issue...
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:14 am
by Steve Ekstrand
Renault added their name to the pullout.
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:16 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Peter Windsor & Co. have substantial backing. Everyone else is iffy.
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:25 am
by Steve Ekstrand
Who is backing Windsor?
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:36 am
by Kristoffer Gjevre
Interesing:
"Brawn: F1 is losing its edge"
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 33,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:44 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Who is backing Windsor?
Some unnamed Silicon Valley person.
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:57 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Hmmmm.... Larry Ellison?
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 9:01 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Hmmmm.... Larry Ellison?
Ellison never does anything anonymously

Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 9:11 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Kurt Rahn wrote:Steve Ekstrand wrote:Hmmmm.... Larry Ellison?
Ellison never does anything anonymously

I thought it might have been Ellison, but Kurt's right. Larry is just as big a shameless self-promoter as Richard Branson, except he scowls instead of grinning.

Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:38 pm
by Giovanni Jaramillo
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Kurt Rahn wrote:Steve Ekstrand wrote:Hmmmm.... Larry Ellison?
Ellison never does anything anonymously

I thought it might have been Ellison, but Kurt's right. Larry is just as big a shameless self-promoter as Richard Branson, except he scowls instead of grinning.

HEY!!! Lay off my uncle Larry!

Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:00 am
by Mike Simanyi
I believe he has the armament to defend himself Gio...
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:17 am
by Giovanni Jaramillo
Mike Simanyi wrote:I believe he has the armament to defend himself Gio...
Yes when you count a MiG Russian fighter jet as part of his personal property

Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:26 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Kurt Rahn wrote:
Ellison never does anything anonymously

I thought it might have been Ellison, but Kurt's right. Larry is just as big a shameless self-promoter as Richard Branson, except he scowls instead of grinning.

HEY!!! Lay off my uncle Larry!

I've got no quarrel with Larry, but in the few interviews I've seen with him, he's very serious. Although he doesn't do many interviews.
Re: Ferrari threatens to quit F1 over budget cap
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:31 am
by Ramy Mattar
Mako Koiwai wrote:Anything new with US F1 ?
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... /9352.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9353.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;