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Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote: SP seat rule: No, it's not. The current rule doesn't require seat tracks and that requirement is BS with the likely source a certain STS Honda driver from the Lone Star state. Screw him. I want to mount my seats in a fixed manner and I don't want to deal with some section of the rule that leaves the interpretation of "seat rails" open to certain in-duh-viduals.

SAC, STAC, SMAC: don't care.

Compression checks in SP? And this will show what? Who's supplying the measurement gauge? How accurate will it be?

As for the other impound changes, both sound very difficult to achieve with either accuracy or within a reasonable time.

I thought it said "may" be replaced, not must. And it does not say they must be adjustable. Most aftermarket seat rails sold by race seat manufacturers are fixed. Not sure I see your point or issue.

Who would be doing checks, I would guess Doug Gill or the car owner under his supervision. They would be using equipment supplied by SCCA Pro Racing, good enough for World Challenge, should be good enough for us. The pro guys have lots of cool tools.

Reasonable time... How fast can you work? I saw teams in impound at the Runoffs pull a motor in less than an hour. Since most of the work on a car is up to the owner, or crew, it is all about how fast you can get it done.

I think it was a football player that said "if you cant handle the congratulations don't score a point," this was right after being pummeled by his own teammates. If you cant handle impound, don't win.

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
SP seat rule: No, it's not. The current rule doesn't require seat tracks and that requirement is BS with the likely source a certain STS Honda driver from the Lone Star state. Screw him. I want to mount my seats in a fixed manner and I don't want to deal with some section of the rule that leaves the interpretation of "seat rails" open to certain in-duh-viduals.

SAC, STAC, SMAC: don't care.

Compression checks in SP? And this will show what? Who's supplying the measurement gauge? How accurate will it be?

As for the other impound changes, both sound very difficult to achieve with either accuracy or within a reasonable time.

And finally, what other than our instructor runs is outside of the rule?

To the first part all i gotta say is.. huh?

To the other part, I'll say, "huh?" again, why would it be talking about Cal Club? We don't allow passenger ride alongs at Championships... :ibrightdea:

This is not reasonable, at least for Subarus. I've had my valve cover off four times trying to fix an oil leak. Each time, it took me 3-4 hours working carefully and taking my time. The only way I got the valve cover gasket to seal decently was to use Hondabond HT (instead of some other Permatex stuff I tried), which I let sit for 24 hours to cure. There is still a tiny bit of oil leaking from somewhere on the gasket, but not enough for me to worry about and spend another few hours trying to fix.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:What constitutes abuse of the passenger rule?

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:

Steve Ekstrand wrote:What constitutes abuse of the passenger rule?

Anyone that has to ride with Curt.

Sebastian Rios wrote:Really shaking things up in stock.


MSP to GS....Hey Jeff and Nicole: Better late than never eh? Ready to go back to stock?

It seems like a lot of this reorg could have been avoided if the CooperS were classed in DS in the first place. ;)

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:Marshall and Gio are slackers: http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/08/0 ... y-solo.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Curt Luther wrote: Paint? It won't be white anymore? Deal's off...


Alright, paint it any color you want. I'll always know it was the first of my racing white chicks that I did.

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote: *edit*Jason beat me to it. although I might still win on smartass-ed-ness.

I don't think so. Don't you need to get off the forum and go tease your hair?

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote: *edit*Jason beat me to it. although I might still win on smartass-ed-ness.

I don't think so. Don't you need to get off the forum and go tease your hair?

ROTFLMAO!!!

Marshall, I believe auditions for 80's bands are being held at the Troubador or Whiskey-a-Go-Go in West Hollywood on Fridays, and The Viper Room on Saturdays What's up with that avatar??

John Coffey wrote:

This is not reasonable, at least for Subarus. I've had my valve cover off four times trying to fix an oil leak. Each time, it took me 3-4 hours working carefully and taking my time. The only way I got the valve cover gasket to seal decently was to use Hondabond HT (instead of some other Permatex stuff I tried), which I let sit for 24 hours to cure. There is still a tiny bit of oil leaking from somewhere on the gasket, but not enough for me to worry about and spend another few hours trying to fix.

Don't ever start road racing. You'll learn that "taking your time" is not an option and a little valve cover leak is nothing to worry about when you have to make the Sunday race. Important things like diff swaps get done in 30 minutes with the diff you're taking out so hot you need heavy gloves to touch it. Head swaps get done in two hours after the morning practice session or in place of dinner on Saturday night.

Don't race in stock class unless you can disassemble your engine?

Marshall Grice wrote:

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:
ROTFLMAO!!!

Marshall, I believe auditions for 80's bands are being held at the Troubador or Whiskey-a-Go-Go in West Hollywood on Fridays, and The Viper Room on Saturdays What's up with that avatar??

what do you mean what's up with it? it freakin ROCKS!

guitar hero 80's edition is much easier when you actually get into character.

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote:

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:
ROTFLMAO!!!

Marshall, I believe auditions for 80's bands are being held at the Troubador or Whiskey-a-Go-Go in West Hollywood on Fridays, and The Viper Room on Saturdays What's up with that avatar??

what do you mean what's up with it? it freakin ROCKS!

guitar hero 80's edition is much easier when you actually get into character.

White Snake or Poison?

Kurt Rahn wrote:

Don't race in stock class unless you can disassemble your engine?

I'm with Greg on this one. Not that I'll ever get to the point where I'm winning at a national level, but just because I like to drive doesn't mean I have any clue what's going on in my drivetrain or can afford to bring someone who's mechanically inclined halfway across the country to nationals. I know we have a good number of engineers (and those who just play one on TV), but I'm certainly not one of those. I can see being more anal retentive with some of the more built-up classes, but not stock. Either that, or they should have a mechanic on call who can get to whatever they want to see. My understanding is they want to draw new blood into the sport, not drive it away.

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:if you have no friends (Gio) to help you

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:you can always higher a mechanic

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote: SP seat rule: No, it's not. The current rule doesn't require seat tracks and that requirement is BS with the likely source a certain STS Honda driver from the Lone Star state. Screw him. I want to mount my seats in a fixed manner and I don't want to deal with some section of the rule that leaves the interpretation of "seat rails" open to certain in-duh-viduals.

SAC, STAC, SMAC: don't care.

Compression checks in SP? And this will show what? Who's supplying the measurement gauge? How accurate will it be?

As for the other impound changes, both sound very difficult to achieve with either accuracy or within a reasonable time.

I thought it said "may" be replaced, not must. And it does not say they must be adjustable. Most aftermarket seat rails sold by race seat manufacturers are fixed. Not sure I see your point or issue.

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote: "HIRE"....use a thesaurus or are the standards at SportsCar magazine deteriorating?

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
Just to make something clear, a "rail" is something that an object moves on, as opposed to the "brackets" that come with aftermarket seats.

Webster's: 3 a: a bar of rolled steel forming a track for wheeled vehicles

Not an exact definition of seat rails, but the closest in context. The rest of the rule is an improvement.

So your point is that you really shouldn't get started in this amateur sport unless you're prepared to fully disassemble and reassemble every piece of your car as fast or faster than a master mechanic? Come on. How many people in ST have ever taken their valve covers off? Those who haven't done it before certainly won't be able to do it quickly. What if they start suggesting this kind of engine impound check on stock cars? Don't race in stock class unless you can disassemble your engine?

Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
Just to make something clear, a "rail" is something that an object moves on, as opposed to the "brackets" that come with aftermarket seats.

Webster's: 3 a: a bar of rolled steel forming a track for wheeled vehicles

Not an exact definition of seat rails, but the closest in context. The rest of the rule is an improvement.

People wonder why the rule book is so big. We have to define every possible combination so everyone gets it. I think we should leave the rule alone, less work. ;)

Greg Peng wrote:It is if impound (not from a protest) requires competitors to suddenly have the knowledge to work with parts that I believe most ST competitors never touch.