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Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:57 am
by Sebastian Rios
Mako Koiwai wrote:Some tire places can make a call and get the tires in a hour or two. Where are you guys located?
Sometimes JLB Motorsports in Corona has some of our high performance tires in stock.
505 N Smith Ave
Corona, CA 92880-6968
(951) 734-4411
Do you know which size tires to get?
Suby's usually want a VERY large FRONT sway bar ... not a big rear bar. Suby's aren't "real" race cars and don't necessarily respond to the usual race car set-ups. Since they lean so much, thus taking away what little front camber they have, they respond well to the big front bar to keep the front end flatter. By big we mean around 27 to 32 mm. No use trying to reinvent the Suby set-up!
Eric Sung, VERY fast RS driver, use to do a lot of course tuning by changing his front and rear toe after his course walks. Especially adding more toe out in the rear for tighter course.
The Hankook RS-3 is also a very promising tire to consider
+1 for JLB Motorsports
-1 For Mako's tuning advice.
I think front sway bars depend on the level of prep. In Stock where you can't change springs, I agree you need a big FSB.
In ST where you can use stiff springs, you don't need as much bar. On my WRX I had stiff spings and a stock FSB, If I were to continue to develop it I would try no FSB.
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:25 am
by Tom Denham
The dunlops will turn even a Stock subaru into a Class winner
, Getting as much front Negitive camber as you can ,will help the turn in , and front tire wear on the subie. :barf:
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:36 am
by Steve Ekstrand
I'm not sure about a stock subie being a class winner in STL, Tom. Lily, Shauna, and Nicole have shown times that I think are beyond anything I've seen at Nationals relative to open class. That includes National champs like Katie Elder, Julie Avard, and Megan Young. If you can win STL in SoCal, I declare you now the absolute odds on favorite to win in Lincoln. And yeah, I'm factoring in first heat cold.
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:07 am
by Tom Denham
Steve Ekstrand wrote:I'm not sure about a stock subie being a class winner in STL, Tom. Lily, Shauna, and Nicole have shown times that I think are beyond anything I've seen at Nationals relative to open class. That includes National champs like Katie Elder, Julie Avard, and Megan Young. If you can win STL in SoCal, I declare you now the absolute odds on favorite to win in Lincoln. And yeah, I'm factoring in first heat cold.
Dude i have been spraying paint all morning
I didnt say what class }:)
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:09 am
by Steve Ekstrand
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:11 am
by Tom Denham
That's my "ST cheater car "crusher
Bro trucks FTW
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:11 am
by Mako Koiwai
I was assuming she had stock springs when I suggested the BIG front bar. Of course Springs are better then bars ...
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:23 am
by leon Styles
OK Katiannas 2.5rs is still on its rally suspension so even at its lowest setting is to high so in the future we will install shorter progressive springs, we will also install new front and rear sway bars, looking for 19mm front and 24 mm rears
once the car is handling then we will make the car go faster with some power, The Subi had over 130.000 miles and maybe has 140hp and is pretty heavy, its tough for Kati competing against lighweight Hondas with more power and weighing 1000 lbs less but Kati is a great driver , so If I can make the car handle I know she will get close to the hondas time wise, new tires will also help a LOT as her tires are bald!! If anyone knows where I can get some of these parts for her car let me know
see you sat at El Toro
Leon
ps ask Kati about her ride last weekend in the drift car:) Twin turbo Corvette powered 350Z:) 550 whp!!!!
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:27 am
by Mako Koiwai
Ah ha ... will she still be rally'ing the car?
Typically you don't want to use progressive springs ...
I would "talk" to Marcos on how his ST Impreza is set-up if she wants to go with a Solo set-up. I'll pm you his email address.
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:49 am
by Jason Flores
Mako Koiwai wrote:Ah ha ... will she still be rally'ing the car?
Typically you don't want to use progressive springs ...
I would "talk" to Marcos on how his ST Impreza is set-up if she wants to go with a Solo set-up. I'll pm you his email address.
Or you can talk to the guy who setup Marco's car..=)
Ill be there in the afternoon on Saturday...look for a Red/Black ST Civic..its easy to spot, it the prettiest one there unless you a fan of teal/blue
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:40 pm
by Mako Koiwai
+1 For Tuner Jason !
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:04 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Yeah, for the limited travel we run, progressives just don't work. I could see how in rally maybe they'd be great.
Most of the top hondas in the country are doing 110-120 WHP on a 108 factory rating. But yeah we are a ton lighter (or a half ton in this case!). Weights are in the 1965-2040 range for the top cars. 91's are a little heavier, but I've had mine down as low as 2023 with just enough fuel for 3-6 competition runs.
Is that a pic of Katianna, Mako??? She's a cutie! The world needs more attractive women that can drive the wheels off cars! I get tired of looking at Mako and Jason....
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:13 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Yes It Is! ... she did the Ladies School a couple of years ago. I've been trying to get her back since then ...
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:26 pm
by Rick Brown
Re: What tires work best for STL
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:39 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Ladies School '07
Shana and Kat, and not much air in that front tire!
Group Shot ... Kat, ?, Shana, ?, Tannis, Jenn Cole
