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Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:16 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
David Barrish wrote:Has registration for the event closed?
David
Online registration is closed, but you can still get in paying the standard (non-early) fee using the old fashioned entry form.
What is the best way you last minute types???? Fax? Email? Don't they charge a handling fee for phone in entries???
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:21 pm
by David Barrish
Steve,
I talked with Nancy Downing directly and have faxed my entry.
That said, I did not have a car to drive untill this morning. Thank you John!
David
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:53 pm
by Jayson Woodruff
Work/Run is up:
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Jay W
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:17 pm
by Sebastian Rios
STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:27 pm
by Tom Berry
Sebastian Rios wrote:STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
Yup
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:59 pm
by Jonathan Lugod
Sebastian Rios wrote:STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
facepalm }:)
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:29 pm
by Craig Naylor
Jonathan Lugod wrote:Sebastian Rios wrote:STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
facepalm }:)
Rather than just facepalming? Has anyone contacted National to share the potential problem so it can be addressed prior to Fri night / Sat morning?
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:41 pm
by KJ Christopher
Craig Naylor wrote:Jonathan Lugod wrote:Sebastian Rios wrote:STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
facepalm }:)
Rather than just facepalming? Has anyone contacted National to share the potential problem so it can be addressed prior to Fri night / Sat morning?
While your at it, tell them they put every freaking class with potential sound issues (other than XP) in the first two run groups.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:59 pm
by Aaron Goldsmith
KJ Christopher wrote:
While your at it, tell them they put every freaking class with potential sound issues (other than XP) in the first two run groups.
I'll be coming by to talk to a lot of folks when it's cloudy in the morning i'm guessing.
-Chief of Sound
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:05 pm
by Ron Tsumura
Aaron Goldsmith wrote:KJ Christopher wrote:
While your at it, tell them they put every freaking class with potential sound issues (other than XP) in the first two run groups.
I'll be coming by to talk to a lot of folks when it's cloudy in the morning i'm guessing.
-Chief of Sound
You forgot F125. More noise = mo pa wa!
I am not ignoring you. I just can't hear anymore.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:10 pm
by Don Salyers
KJ Christopher wrote:
While your at it, tell them they put every freaking class with potential sound issues (other than XP) in the first two run groups.
Except, us and John Edwards' screaming marshmellow.
Don "no I am not happy to see you it is just a SuperTrapp in my pocket"
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:39 pm
by Rick Brown
Ron Tsumura wrote:Aaron Goldsmith wrote:KJ Christopher wrote:
While your at it, tell them they put every freaking class with potential sound issues (other than XP) in the first two run groups.
I'll be coming by to talk to a lot of folks when it's cloudy in the morning i'm guessing.
-Chief of Sound
You forgot F125. More noise = mo pa wa!
I am not ignoring you. I just can't hear anymore.
F125 runs 3rd.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:46 pm
by KJ Christopher
Ron Tsumura wrote:
You forgot F125. More noise = mo pa wa!
I am not ignoring you. I just can't hear anymore.
F125 isn't loud. Just annoying. Take three of them and then triple the displacement, then you've got loud AND annoying
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:49 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Craig Naylor wrote:Jonathan Lugod wrote:Sebastian Rios wrote:STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
facepalm }:)
Rather than just facepalming? Has anyone contacted National to share the potential problem so it can be addressed prior to Fri night / Sat morning?
SCCA Website wrote:Competitors with valid concerns about the run/work order should speak with the National Field Staff on site. Any changes deemed necessary will be made at that time.
It looks like we'll have to deal with it Friday.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:56 pm
by Eric Clements
Sebastian Rios wrote:STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
Maybe they did that on purpose to cut down on the number of ST cars in STX...
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:01 pm
by Jason Isley BS RX8
Eric Clements wrote:Sebastian Rios wrote:STXl and ST running at the same time...I think that's going to have to change. Damn civics class jumping!
Maybe they did that on purpose to cut down on the number of ST cars in STX...
Maybe it was created by an STX BMW driver who did not want to get beat by a Honduh.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:02 pm
by Craig Naylor
KJ Christopher wrote:While your at it, tell them they put every freaking class with potential sound issues (other than XP) in the first two run groups.
Did that already, plus I posted it on the SD board a day or two ago. I got no response from Nat.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:45 pm
by Mark Duerst
For the tour only, we are allowed to run classes without the morning time restriction, as well as run past the 5:00 pm time limit if we need to.
Also we will be using the National sound rules with the limits changed to 91 db for a warning and over 93 db as the limit.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:30 am
by Karen Zaterman
The best of luck to all of you!
:gpower:
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:44 am
by Aaron Goldsmith
Mark Duerst wrote:For the tour only, we are allowed to run classes without the morning time restriction, as well as run past the 5:00 pm time limit if we need to.
Also we will be using the National sound rules with the limits changed to 91 db for a warning and over 93 db as the limit.
San Diego Tour Sound Rules:
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Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:57 am
by Marshall Grice
Mark Duerst wrote:For the tour only, we are allowed to run classes without the morning time restriction, as well as run past the 5:00 pm time limit if we need to.
Also we will be using the National sound rules with the limits changed to 91 db for a warning and over 93 db as the limit.
Just to be clear, does that mean the latest fastrack wording about not being able to change the turn down angle will be in effect?
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:13 am
by KJ Christopher
Marshall Grice wrote:Mark Duerst wrote:For the tour only, we are allowed to run classes without the morning time restriction, as well as run past the 5:00 pm time limit if we need to.
Also we will be using the National sound rules with the limits changed to 91 db for a warning and over 93 db as the limit.
Just to be clear, does that mean the latest fastrack wording about not being able to change the turn down angle will be in effect?
Last sentence sound rules (Aaron's link above): Redirecting the exhaust away from the sound meter between days is not a valid repair action and may be referred to the Chief Steward for action under 1.3.2.L.
So, sounds like you can't redirect IF it is a repair action. Otherwise, redirection isn't limited.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:25 am
by KJ Christopher
Now I want some clarification.
Sound Measurements at SCCA San Diego National Tour
The goal is to protect the hearing of course workers, and to further efforts at site retention and acquisition.
The maximum limit will be 93 dBA. Participants are reminded that this is a limit, not a design goal. Sound measurement is affected by external factors such as temperature, humidity, topography, and other environmental conditions. A margin of error to account for such eventualities is encouraged when designing exhaust systems.
The measurement will be taken at a point where the vehicle can reasonably be expected to be under load at full throttle. The measuring point will be 50 feet from the edge of the course using an ANSI Type 2 sound meter set to “A” weighting, “Slow” response. The microphone will be 3 to 4 feet above ground level, positioned perpendicular to vehicle direction of travel. The microphone will be away from structures (e.g., buildings, etc.) as is practical.
If a vehicle exceeds 91 dBA, the Chief Steward or his/her designated representative will be notified by the Sound Control Steward or representative. The Chief Steward or representative will notify the driver of any measurement over 91 dBA.
If a vehicle exceeds 93dBA, the driver will be allowed an attempt to reduce the sound level of the vehicle before his/her next scheduled run that day. (A “mechanical delay” per Solo Rules 6.8.D may be used.) If a viable remedy has been attempted in the judgment of the Chief Steward or representative, the driver will be allowed a “second chance” for the next scheduled run. If the driver declines any “repair action” or the “repair” is deemed inadequate by the Chief Steward or representative, the driver will forfeit all subsequent runs in the vehicle (unless an adequate “repair action” is completed before the next scheduled run). If the vehicle exceeds 93 dBA again on the “second chance” run, the driver will be allowed another attempt as before to reduce the sound level. The Chief Steward or representative may approve a final “third chance” run after another remedy to reduce the sound level. If the limit is exceeded on the “third chance” run, the run will be scored a DNF.
Any “repair actions” to reduce the sound level of a vehicle may not be removed (including the next day of the event) and may be subject to re-inspection by the Chief Steward or representative. If the “repair” has deteriorated after passing the sound level requirements at the measuring point, it must be addressed again. The Chief Steward or representative has the right to disallow a repeat of the “repair action” that deteriorated. The “repair action” may be changed or modified to improve the quality of the “repair” and/or further reduce the vehicle sound level. Drivers that receive a DNF for non-compliant sound limits must make further “repair actions” to reduce the sound level to compliant readings before starting runs the next day.
Redirecting the exhaust away from the sound meter between days is not a valid repair action and may be referred to the Chief Steward for action under 1.3.2.L.
So, I don't get a DNF for going over 93db until the 3rd run (and only that run or subsequent runs) over 93db?
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:42 am
by Marshall Grice
KJ Christopher wrote:
Last sentence sound rules (Aaron's link above):
well there's the problem. I can use google docs from my computer. so i never read aaron's link.
how nice of the national staff to give us 10 days notice to redesign our exhaust.
Re: 2011 San Diego National Tour 4/1-4/3
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:49 am
by Aaron Goldsmith
KJ Christopher wrote:
So, I don't get a DNF for going over 93db until the 3rd run (and only that run or subsequent runs) over 93db?
Same rules as nationals last year on that, DNF is automatic on the third fail, but it's up to the Op steward and me whether your repair is enough for you to even get another run. If we don't think it'll be enough for you to pass sound we don't have to let you run again. We want everyone to get their runs, all i'm saying is, don't try and game the system.