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Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:00 pm
by Jeff Shyu
i thought the track was fun to watch.

glad to see there were no entry/exit problems with the pit, it certainly looked dangerous. Hopefully that's fixed next year, along with the bumpy road.

i was disappointed with how incredibly long the first SC session was. It could be argued that the race outcome was a direct result of the 1st SC period, where the order got completely reshuffled, people penalized, etc. I think a quicker deployment of a lift and more efficient cleanup crew is definitely feasible.

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:54 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Mako Koiwai wrote:What did you guys think of the course? Lots of redundant "features" but not as bad as some street circuits. I like the way we're seeing aggressive forced passing. Are the cars not so sensitive to following another car any more and thus losing front down force. Love the shot of the one car understeering into the barriers towards the end of the race. How often have we experienced that ourselves. How come he didn't just let up a bit on the brakes, straighten the steering and then re-apply ... like we do! Yeah, I know ... not much room, but he should have seen it coming. IMO ... too much light! Forget the Night aspect of the race. Like they said, Japan will be the next night race ... next year? Makes it's much better for TV audiences back in Europe ... and probably not a bad thing for local live viewing plus local TV. And a bit cooler in those tropical locations.
Heidfeld out-braked someone to pull off a pass, but he pulled along side, so he had clean air.

If the brakes are locked up, the cars will understeer. With so many cars experiencing brake fade at the end of the race, it's surprising more didn't hit the barriers.

If you think it was too bright, look at the still photos. It wasn't that bright.

Bernie says he wants Japan to be a night race. We'll see if that really happens.

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:06 pm
by Larry Andrews
Jeff Shyu wrote:I think a quicker deployment of a lift and more efficient cleanup crew is definitely feasible.
How's bout a 2GW electromagnet to remove spent cars from the track? That oughta be pretty speedy.

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:05 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Larry Andrews wrote:
Jeff Shyu wrote:I think a quicker deployment of a lift and more efficient cleanup crew is definitely feasible.
How's bout a 2GW electromagnet to remove spent cars from the track? That oughta be pretty speedy.
Is there enough magnetic material in an F1 car to pickup?

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:53 am
by Larry Andrews
Crankshaft, axles, a few other tidbits. That's why you need so much juice.

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:49 am
by Giovanni Jaramillo
Just watched the race last night. Beautiful looking on TV. Agreed with Bob B. Penalize Heidfeld for blocking Rubens?? C'mon give me an f'ing break! He was pulling into the pits. Ferrari oh Ferrari oh Ferrari. When are you gonna get your act together in terms of refueling? I knew the Safety Car period would be long because there are no "cranes" to get these cars out. That won the race for Fernando but good for him. Ironically it was his teammate Nelson Piquet who crashed into the wall that caused the SC period.

Results:
  • 1. Fernando Alonso - Renault
  • 2. Nico Rosberg - Williams Toyota
  • 3. Lewis Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes
I'll update the points tonight.

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:54 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
I found the penalty for fuel hose incident odd, a drive-thru, while those who refueled while the pits were closed got a 10 second stop and go. It would seem the safety issue of the fuel hose would dictate a stiffer penalty. Then again, Massa sat for about 30-45 seconds waiting for the mechanics to get the hose out.

And, Kimi bins his car. :roll:

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:52 am
by William Chen
2 exact same incidents of unsafe release by Ferrari on Massa's car onto Sutil's car.

FIA penalty:

at Valencia - $10k fine - Massa was leading. so fine was appropriate.
at Singapore - drive through penalty - Massa was in 16th place (last place) when he received the penalty.

see a trend here ?

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:10 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
William Chen wrote:2 exact same incidents of unsafe release by Ferrari on Massa's car onto Sutil's car.

FIA penalty:

at Valencia - $10k fine - Massa was leading. so fine was appropriate.
at Singapore - drive through penalty - Massa was in 16th place (last place) when he received the penalty.

see a long-standing pattern of bias here ?
Fixed that for you. :D

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:15 am
by Giovanni Jaramillo
William Chen wrote:see a trend here ?
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Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:46 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Ferrari International Assistance = Too true! :mrt:

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:27 pm
by Chuck Fowler
Giovanni Jaramillo wrote: Ironically it was his teammate Nelson Piquet who crashed into the wall that caused the SC period.
talk about your serious team orders }:) "Hey Nelson, you still interested in a job next year? this is going to sound a little funny..." :lol:

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:06 pm
by Mako Koiwai
He crashed just listening to that "you've got to be kidding!" "request!"

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:33 pm
by Chuck Fowler
Mako Koiwai wrote:He crashed just listening to that "you've got to be kidding!" "request!"
:lol:
quit following me Mako...your freekin' me out....
:shock:

:lol:

Re: 2008 F1 Podium Picker Challenge: Singapore Grand Prix: Rd 15

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:45 pm
by Giovanni Jaramillo
William Chen wrote: Alonso

originally had Kimi at 3rd place. but edited to put Alonso in.
Nice late change Willy! Just under the wire! :) Well you had 6 more hours. But that puts you IN the lead ahead of "ShhhhhhhhhhhNECKER" :)

Results have been posted.