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Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:29 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Mako Koiwai wrote:But he didn't when he was developing the original version of his present car.
True, but it wasn't like he didn't have a skill set to begin with. :D

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:08 am
by Cam Correa
Steve Ekstrand wrote: They just don't make too many 15-16 inch rim race tires that will fit on narrow stock rims. I don't think a 275-50-15 Hoosier will work on a 15x7 rim for example.
What size rims do Miatas run?

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:47 am
by David Avard
Blanco .. wrote:
Steve Ekstrand wrote: They just don't make too many 15-16 inch rim race tires that will fit on narrow stock rims. I don't think a 275-50-15 Hoosier will work on a 15x7 rim for example.
What size rims do Miatas run?
It depends on the year. The first gen Miata's ('90-'93) ran 14 x 5.5, except for some of the special editions that used 14 x 6. Most of the '94-'97 Miata's used 14 x 6 wheels, but some special editions used 15 x 6. '99-'00 used 14 x 6 and 15 x 6, IIRC, the '01+ used 16 x 6.5 on the Sport models.

This is, of course, all from memory as I'm at work, it's 4am, and I didn't get much sleep during the day.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:27 am
by Leonard Cachola
David Avard wrote:
Blanco .. wrote:
Steve Ekstrand wrote: They just don't make too many 15-16 inch rim race tires that will fit on narrow stock rims. I don't think a 275-50-15 Hoosier will work on a 15x7 rim for example.
What size rims do Miatas run?
It depends on the year. The first gen Miata's ('90-'93) ran 14 x 5.5, except for some of the special editions that used 14 x 6. Most of the '94-'97 Miata's used 14 x 6 wheels, but some special editions used 15 x 6. '99-'00 used 14 x 6 and 15 x 6, IIRC, the '01+ used 16 x 6.5 on the Sport models.

This is, of course, all from memory as I'm at work, it's 4am, and I didn't get much sleep during the day.
That's pretty close for just off memory:

http://www.jason-parker.net/images/wheels.htm

For 2001 and 2002, you could get the 15x6 in the base model w/o suspension package. Suspension package and LS editions added the 16x6.5. For 2003-2005, all non-turbo Miatas came standard with 16x6.5. The 2004-2005 Mazdaspeed Miata came with 17x7 standard.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:02 am
by Cam Correa
What about a fiberglass bodied Myers Manx VW Buggy?
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I think it would fit in HS Class? Image

This is a very light weight kit car....
I've had my eye on one I could buy for a very long time now. Image

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:07 am
by Marshall Grice
Blanco .. wrote:
I think it would fit in HS Class?
This is a very light weight kit car....
kit car and Stock class are mutually exclusive.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:14 am
by Steve Ekstrand
My comments about tire available were about the larger tires needed to run in FS with an old mustang.

Tough to run down a Shelby GT with 295-30-18's.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:16 am
by Cam Correa
Marshall Grice wrote:
Blanco .. wrote:
I think it would fit in HS Class?
This is a very light weight kit car....
kit car and Stock class are mutually exclusive.

I guess I need to read more....... But where would a Manx Buggy fit in?

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:19 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Blanco .. wrote:
Marshall Grice wrote:
Blanco .. wrote:
I think it would fit in HS Class?
This is a very light weight kit car....
kit car and Stock class are mutually exclusive.

I guess I need to read more....... But where would a Manx Buggy fit in?
Mod, maybe A Mod. Most A Mod cars look like this:

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Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:26 am
by Jeff Shyu
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Mod, maybe A Mod. Most A Mod cars look like this:
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well, i don't know how good of an example that is. Kinda "EXTREME!" with the multi-element wing.. :D

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:13 am
by Cam Correa
Never mind then, I have no interest in trying compete against that. :roll:

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:22 am
by Mako Koiwai
We have a local class called CSM ... California Street Mod ... where you can run pretty much anything, that I believe is licensed for the street. Typically you'll want to run R tires to be competitive. Go to http://www.solo2.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and look at Past Results on the left to see which cars are running in CSM

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:59 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Jeff Shyu wrote:
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Mod, maybe A Mod. Most A Mod cars look like this:
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well, i don't know how good of an example that is. Kinda "EXTREME!" with the multi-element wing.. :D
Most AM cars I've seen in person or pictures -- might be the same 3 :lol: -- look like that, including the multi-element wing.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:01 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Mako Koiwai wrote:We have a local class called CSM ... California Street Mod ... where you can run pretty much anything, that I believe is licensed for the street. Typically you'll want to run R tires to be competitive. Go to http://www.solo2.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and look at Past Results on the left to see which cars are running in CSM
You could run a Manx in CSM potentially. Keep it lower to the ground than it would be for dune cruising.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:03 am
by Christine Grice
George Bowland's 2001 A Mod design:

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In 2008:
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Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:03 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Geez, that thing looks like a snowplow on steroids!

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:27 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Kurt Rahn wrote:Geez, that thing looks like a snowplow on steroids!
Might use a three-cylinder snowmobile engine. Steve O'Blenes' car does. :D

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:38 pm
by Don Salyers
Kurt Rahn wrote:Geez, that thing looks like a snowplow on steroids!
Steriods and Weight Watchers----900lbs with Driver!!!!

Don

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:48 pm
by Mako Koiwai
What type of g forces does it develop?

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:58 pm
by Robert Puertas
I know an old 125 shifter that could be picked up cheap.
It has an extended front porch and large seat and was set up for somebody 6'-2" and 225 lbs.
It was pretty darn fast the last time I drove it. Probably needs a little work, but it would be a very inexpensive way to get going very fast in the sport.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:59 pm
by Marshall Grice
it can do 3+ g's in a slalom.

i dont know about the other directions.


BTW that vw kit thing would fit in BM anyways. it has fenders. either way it would still get killed

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:03 pm
by Robert Puertas
Sitting right next to the kart are two other cars for sale:

1985 Toyota MR2 - blown head gasket, otherwise pretty clean.

1972 Honda 600 coupe - frozen brake cylinder, otherwise pretty clean.

I think my friend Dave would like to get $1k each, or $2500 for all 3. :D

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:17 pm
by KJ Christopher
Christine Berry wrote:George Bowland's 2001 A Mod design:

In 2008:
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Are the side skirts aero aids? Does it go that quick?

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:37 pm
by Marshall Grice
KJ Christopher wrote:
Christine Berry wrote:George Bowland's 2001 A Mod design:

In 2008:
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Are the side skirts aero aids? Does it go that quick?
yes. and yes.

that car has paxed #1 at nationals (multiple times?).

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:44 pm
by Will Kalman
Marshall Grice wrote:...that car has paxed #1 at nationals (multiple times?).
Clearly, the A-Mod PAX is wrong!