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In the past there has been an internal commitment at Toyota that by about next model year, EVERY model line would have a hybrid option. Its been a lot of years since I had that conversation with a Toyota exec, but this car seems to change directions for the company.
Or maybe not. Keep the 2.0L gas motor and ADD an electric motor and you have the makings of a legit hot rod.
Or maybe not. Keep the 2.0L gas motor and ADD an electric motor and you have the makings of a legit hot rod.
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Seems to be trickle down from Akio Toyoda taking over the company, He's a motorsport fan.Steve Ekstrand wrote:In the past there has been an internal commitment at Toyota that by about next model year, EVERY model line would have a hybrid option. Its been a lot of years since I had that conversation with a Toyota exec, but this car seems to change directions for the company.
Or maybe not. Keep the 2.0L gas motor and ADD an electric motor and you have the makings of a legit hot rod.
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Hopefully the Toybaru won't come in as heavy as the Genesis did.Michael Smith wrote:Don't forget the FR Korean Kar which is aiming at this market.Tom Denham wrote:Size comparison
'FT86'
Wheelbase: 101.2 in.
Length: 163.8 in.
Width: 69.3 in.
Height: 49.6 in.
Hyundai Genesis Coupe (4 cyl)
Wheelbase (in.) 111.00
Length (in.) 182.30
Width (in.) 73.40
Height (in.) 54.50
Ground Clearance (in.) 5.10
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) 3294
Engine 2.0L 210 hp I4
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I think the Tobaru is aiming below 3000lbs. Maybe not S2000 light, but somewhere in between.
The flat four keeps the weight down and further back. Plus the additional torque.
I wonder how the fuel economy compares to a 2.0L vvti engine.
The flat four keeps the weight down and further back. Plus the additional torque.
I wonder how the fuel economy compares to a 2.0L vvti engine.
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Toyobaru (Toyota FT-86 / Subaru 086a) test mule in testing at Nurburgring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SYJjE7Xrf4
The way the rear end is disguised reminds me of a Corrado.
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The way the rear end is disguised reminds me of a Corrado.
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That dashboard/steering wheel mockup is dreadful ... totally Hasbro!
Some people complain about plain looking BMW and Subaru interiors ... that's JUST the way I Like It ... simple, austere, functional.
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A photo from a Tokyo motor show attendee
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I believe it's only 6 inches longer than my Miata.Tom Denham wrote:
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And with those short overhangs, I bet it's all in the wheelbase.Leonard Cachola wrote:I believe it's only 6 inches longer than my Miata.
BTW, given the number of his posts on this subject, I'd say someone is obsessed. Tom, you planning to upgrade when this baby comes out?
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more LFA while we're at it:
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LOTS of detail shots of the 86 in this video montage of stills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIriKiQhOjE&NR=1
LFA Gorgeous! Thanks Aaron ... what's the story on it ... is it coming out?
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Toyota unveils FT-86 Concept
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WTF, was it done in someones backyard?
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It's in my price range.Kurt Rahn wrote:And with those short overhangs, I bet it's all in the wheelbase.Leonard Cachola wrote:I believe it's only 6 inches longer than my Miata.
BTW, given the number of his posts on this subject, I'd say someone is obsessed. Tom, you planning to upgrade when this baby comes out?
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What class would this be in and what other choices are there for a car like this in this size (coupe, front engine, rear drive)?It's a Subaru chassis, and for power Toyota's chosen a 2.0-liter flat four-cylinder from Subaru, too. The naturally aspirated version of Subaru's turbo four puts its estimated 200 hp to the rear wheels, via a six-speed manual transmission.
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Very similar numbers to an S2000, just depends on how heavy it comes in at.Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty ... new-celicaWhat class would this be in and what other choices are there for a car like this in this size (coupe, front engine, rear drive)?It's a Subaru chassis, and for power Toyota's chosen a 2.0-liter flat four-cylinder from Subaru, too. The naturally aspirated version of Subaru's turbo four puts its estimated 200 hp to the rear wheels, via a six-speed manual transmission.
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Rumor suggests the FT-86 will go on sale as a 2011 model in Japan, with U.S. plans uncertain. A base price of $25,000 has been suggested,
First guess would be A Stock for the current rules.
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OK, there is the RX7
Tom Denham wrote:Size comparison
'FT86'
Wheelbase: 101.2 in.
Length: 163.8 in.
Width: 69.3 in.
Height: 49.6 in.
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Mazda RX7 (FD)
Wheelbase: 95.5 in.
Length: 168.5 in.
Width: 68.9 in.
Height: 48.4 in.
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hmmm, S2000 is 237 bhp and about 2,810 lb... 2,855 lb (with hardtop + audio + AC)Pete Loney wrote:Very similar numbers to an S2000, just depends on how heavy it comes in at.Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty ... new-celicaWhat class would this be in and what other choices are there for a car like this in this size (coupe, front engine, rear drive)?It's a Subaru chassis, and for power Toyota's chosen a 2.0-liter flat four-cylinder from Subaru, too. The naturally aspirated version of Subaru's turbo four puts its estimated 200 hp to the rear wheels, via a six-speed manual transmission.
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Rumor suggests the FT-86 will go on sale as a 2011 model in Japan, with U.S. plans uncertain. A base price of $25,000 has been suggested,
First guess would be A Stock for the current rules.
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Mazda RX-8Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:OK, there is the RX7
Tom Denham wrote:Size comparison
'FT86'
Wheelbase: 101.2 in.
Length: 163.8 in.
Width: 69.3 in.
Height: 49.6 in.
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Mazda RX7 (FD)
Wheelbase: 95.5 in.
Length: 168.5 in.
Width: 68.9 in.
Height: 48.4 in.
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Wheelbase: 106.3 in
Length: 176.0 in
Width: 69.7 in
Height: 52.8 in
Curb weight: 2888–3029 lb
6-speed manual "High Power" with a claimed output of between 228 hp and 247 hp
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So the RX-8 is longer and taller, so one would think the FT86 could be lighter...
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Given that the engine I've heard thrown around is a 2.0 liter, normally-aspirated boxer 4, I'd say probably more like G stock. If they put a turbocharger on it and get somewhere north of 200 hp out of it, then I could see BS or AS maybe. But until the car is officially introduced and independently tested, it's all speculation.
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Now if they'd just put a real front suspension on it, and a real limited slip... Then maybe room for 285's all around on 18x9.5 factory wheels. Let it come in with 50-50% weight distribution, four channel ABS that doesn't go into ice mode easily, and maybe a 65mph 2nd gear. Wrap it up in a small stiff package that weighs 2650lbs and then maybe I won't care that it has only 200hp.
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