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Steve Ekstrand wrote:I don't have a bone in the great stock class tire debate. I really don't have any interest in "stock". But it seems to me that the best argument the street tire religion folks can make is that the future of automobiles is the B-Specs. We're going to start looking more like Europe with $6 gas and huge increases in CAFE standards. The reason we can't run a car like the 500 is really only because we have to wonder what happens when slap Hoosiers on stock springs. I'd be arguing that this is the reason stock should be on streets.

But we all know that Corvettes and Vipers and Rustangs and such all thoroughly suck on streets so, create Stock and Super Stock. Stock is the low horsepower classes currently in stock. Super Stock takes the high powered classes currently in stock. Stock runs streets. Super Stocks runs R's.

Easy Peasy..... Don't make it hard. Now the new EuroTrash micros can run.

}:) }:) }:) }:)

George Schilling wrote:This has been a very interesting conversation to follow. But really, who cares? :heyes:

George Schilling wrote:This has been a very interesting conversation to follow. But really, who cares? :heyes:

Kurt Rahn wrote:

George Schilling wrote:This has been a very interesting conversation to follow. But really, who cares? :heyes:

Speaking of the FRS, how did it do when our drivers took it around the course yesterday? We didn't get to stay long enough to watch.

Jeff Stuart wrote: It sure looked good doing it though.

Kurt Rahn wrote:

George Schilling wrote:This has been a very interesting conversation to follow. But really, who cares? :heyes:

Speaking of the FRS, how did it do when our drivers took it around the course yesterday? We didn't get to stay long enough to watch.

Jeff Stuart wrote:

Kurt Rahn wrote:

George Schilling wrote:This has been a very interesting conversation to follow. But really, who cares? :heyes:

Speaking of the FRS, how did it do when our drivers took it around the course yesterday? We didn't get to stay long enough to watch.

It ran... some times.... that were... relatively faster or slower than.... some other times it ran.... (they didn't announce the times)

Steve Ekstrand wrote:I don't have a bone in the great stock class tire debate. I really don't have any interest in "stock". But it seems to me that the best argument the street tire religion folks can make is that the future of automobiles is the B-Specs. We're going to start looking more like Europe with $6 gas and huge increases in CAFE standards. The reason we can't run a car like the 500 is really only because we have to wonder what happens when slap Hoosiers on stock springs. I'd be arguing that this is the reason stock should be on streets.

But we all know that Corvettes and Vipers and Rustangs and such all thoroughly suck on streets so, create Stock and Super Stock. Stock is the low horsepower classes currently in stock. Super Stock takes the high powered classes currently in stock. Stock runs streets. Super Stocks runs R's.

Easy Peasy..... Don't make it hard. Now the new EuroTrash micros can run.

}:) }:) }:) }:)

Marshall Grice wrote: It would have won SK1 at this event but lets be honest, Brian, Ken or Ryan could win SK1 with pretty much anything.

Michael Wood wrote:

Steve Ekstrand wrote:I don't have a bone in the great stock class tire debate. I really don't have any interest in "stock". But it seems to me that the best argument the street tire religion folks can make is that the future of automobiles is the B-Specs. We're going to start looking more like Europe with $6 gas and huge increases in CAFE standards. The reason we can't run a car like the 500 is really only because we have to wonder what happens when slap Hoosiers on stock springs. I'd be arguing that this is the reason stock should be on streets.

We've had similar proposals floated via member letters on the SAC, but usually around HS/GS/DS on streets, everything else on r-comps...seems those ES miatters like their HoHo grip.

Davin Swanson wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote: It would have won SK1 at this event but lets be honest, Brian, Ken or Ryan could win SK1 with pretty much anything.

Yeah, those SKx drivers are pretty terrible!!!

Davin Swanson wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote: It would have won SK1 at this event but lets be honest, Brian, Ken or Ryan could win SK1 with pretty much anything.

Yeah, those SKx drivers are pretty terrible!!!

Michael Wood wrote:

Steve Ekstrand wrote:I don't have a bone in the great stock class tire debate. I really don't have any interest in "stock". But it seems to me that the best argument the street tire religion folks can make is that the future of automobiles is the B-Specs. We're going to start looking more like Europe with $6 gas and huge increases in CAFE standards. The reason we can't run a car like the 500 is really only because we have to wonder what happens when slap Hoosiers on stock springs. I'd be arguing that this is the reason stock should be on streets.

But we all know that Corvettes and Vipers and Rustangs and such all thoroughly suck on streets so, create Stock and Super Stock. Stock is the low horsepower classes currently in stock. Super Stock takes the high powered classes currently in stock. Stock runs streets. Super Stocks runs R's.

Easy Peasy..... Don't make it hard. Now the new EuroTrash micros can run.

}:) }:) }:) }:)

We've had similar proposals floated via member letters on the SAC, but usually around HS/GS/DS on streets, everything else on r-comps...seems those ES miatters like their HoHo grip.

In any case, there hasn't seemed to be appetite for bifurcating the stock class rule set. It will be interesting to see how this RT* deal works out this year, that is the only real proxy we can envision, right now, to prove out the "street tires in stock" idea. Funny thing, I'm more open to it than I used to be...as I've moved to real slicks

Marshall Grice wrote: Sorry if that came across the wrong way, but Kurt has it right. I should have said those guys could win any class with pretty much anything so the "would have won SK1" really doesn't say anything about the performance of the car at all.

Davin Swanson wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote: Sorry if that came across the wrong way, but Kurt has it right. I should have said those guys could win any class with pretty much anything so the "would have won SK1" really doesn't say anything about the performance of the car at all.

Gotcha... it's all good. In any case, I'm sure that car is going to be a beast. Any speculation as to where it will be classed? My initial guess would be BS.

Jeff Stuart wrote:
CS/STX is my bet.

Ed Holley wrote: Well, maybe you should look at our "experiment" with ES in Cal-Club Solo. We had 5 entries yesterday, more than in a LONG time. We were all on street tires.

Leonard Cachola wrote:

Ed Holley wrote: Well, maybe you should look at our "experiment" with ES in Cal-Club Solo. We had 5 entries yesterday, more than in a LONG time. We were all on street tires.

It's only an experiment if there's a hypothesis. Otherwise, it's a pointless exercise.

Ed Holley wrote: The "experiment" is testing the hypothesis that ES can have increased numbers of entrants and simultaneously create a sense of fun, close competition and reduced costs if the main ingredient is street tires only. So far, so good.

Leonard Cachola wrote:

Ed Holley wrote: The "experiment" is testing the hypothesis that ES can have increased numbers of entrants and simultaneously create a sense of fun, close competition and reduced costs if the main ingredient is street tires only. So far, so good.

How's that working for you with the San Diego region, the National Tour, and the ProSolo? Unless you convince those already running R-compounds to switch to street tires while remaining in open E-Stock, your experiment holds zero weight.

Reijo Silvennoinen wrote:
Actually it is not so much for drawing out/or "stealing" the existing CS or other stock entries but rather seeing if new people will enter the Tours/Pros with street tires who otherwise might not enter.

R

Leonard Cachola wrote:

Reijo Silvennoinen wrote:
Actually it is not so much for drawing out/or "stealing" the existing CS or other stock entries but rather seeing if new people will enter the Tours/Pros with street tires who otherwise might not enter.

R

I don't know if you're aware of this, Reijo, but the new-for-this-year RT classes for the ProSolo and National Tour already address this issue. For the ProSolo, all street tire stock cars are lumped into one RT class (just like the San Francisco region does with its street tire stock class) while there are three separate RT classes for the National Tour (RTR for rear wheel drive, RTA for all-wheel drive, and RTF for front wheel drive). Are we now deciding we would rather shuffle these drivers back to the open class?