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Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:50 pm
by Marshall Grice
Will Kalman wrote:Marshall Grice wrote:...that car has paxed #1 at nationals (multiple times?).
Clearly, the A-Mod PAX is wrong!
hahah.
i'm pretty sure AM is right and all the others are wrong. particularly F125. they should have a pax of like 1.1 }:)
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:12 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Will Kalman wrote:Marshall Grice wrote:...that car has paxed #1 at nationals (multiple times?).
Clearly, the A-Mod PAX is wrong!
Absolutely! Should be 1.5.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:29 pm
by Keith Brown
Marshall Grice wrote:KJ Christopher wrote:Christine Berry wrote:George Bowland's 2001 A Mod design:
In 2008:
Are the side skirts aero aids? Does it go that quick?
yes. and yes.
that car has paxed #1 at nationals (multiple times?).
I don't think Bowland ever paxed #1. I know Gary Milligan did in the Phantom (another AM car)
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:38 pm
by Art Rinner
4 pages and no mention of the Z Car:
what is your budget.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:00 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
If he wanted a cheap uncompetitive car like the Z, he already owns a convertible Rustang.
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:13 pm
by Kurt Rahn
If he wanted a cheap uncompetitive car like the Z, he already owns a convertible Rustang.
No you dittint!

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:21 pm
by Marshall Grice
Keith Brown wrote:
I don't think Bowland ever paxed #1. I know Gary Milligan did in the Phantom (another AM car)
It is before my time, but i thought Bowland did well at forbes pax-wise. I have no proof though.
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:16 pm
by KJ Christopher
Marshall Grice wrote:KJ Christopher wrote:Christine Berry wrote:George Bowland's 2001 A Mod design:
Are the side skirts aero aids? Does it go that quick?
yes. and yes.
that car has paxed #1 at nationals (multiple times?).
Do they create a low pressure area under the car? Or something else?
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:37 pm
by Cam Correa
Art Rinner wrote:4 pages and no mention of the Z Car:
I actually have always liked those 240/260 Z's.
Art Rinner wrote:what is your budget.
hard to say....
Basically, what has attracted me to this sport is how I can do it cheap at 1st & grow as money & skill improves.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:48 pm
by Marshall Grice
KJ Christopher wrote:
Do they create a low pressure area under the car? Or something else?
not so much create low pressure as much as they keep the air from going under the car and filling in the low pressure that the big ass diffusor that's hanging off the rear generates.
only class in the world that i know of that allows sliding skirts.
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:17 pm
by Mike Simanyi
Yep, get that setup and let Katy Nicholls kick yer butt!
Seriously, that's what I'd do for a cost-effective autox car. The real bonus is Mazda's support program. Register through MazdaMotorsports.com (requires your SCCA membership and some other easier stuff), compete in the car for at least two events per year and you're eligible for huge discounts on factory parts for the car.
Mike
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:42 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Mike Simanyi wrote:Yep, get that setup and let Katy Nicholls kick yer butt!
Sounds like a fetish thing Mike??? Far better taste than Max Mosley.
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:13 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:18 pm
by Michael Palero
You know they're serious when it takes them 7 years to build and it comes with
Ohlens
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:27 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Mark Daddio's SM Evo is cheaper. And built to autocross.
Street legal too.
And then there is Tom Berry's vette. Much cheaper and I'd imagine much faster doing what we do.
Plus neither car is as ugly as a Suburu. }:)
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:28 pm
by Leonard Cachola
Mike Simanyi wrote: The real bonus is Mazda's support program. Register through MazdaMotorsports.com (requires your SCCA membership and some other easier stuff), compete in the car for at least two events per year and you're eligible for huge discounts on factory parts for the car.
Mike
Definite plus for owning and autocrossing a Mazda.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:46 pm
by Mako Koiwai
You fail to consider that neither of those cars have as many decals as the STI! Odd that all those stickers can't hide the fact that it's still a Suby.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:54 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Michael Palero wrote:
You know they're serious when it takes them 7 years to build and it comes with
Ohlens
I don't think it actually took them 7 years to build. And what are Ohlens? I've heard of Ohlins.

Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:04 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Michael Palero wrote:
You know they're serious when it takes them 7 years to build and it comes with Ohlens
I don't think it actually took them 7 years to build. And what are Ohlens? I've heard of Ohlins.

Bob: I think your browser's sarcasm detector needs the latest update.
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:30 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Sebastian Rios wrote:Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Michael Palero wrote:
You know they're serious when it takes them 7 years to build and it comes with Ohlens
I don't think it actually took them 7 years to build. And what are Ohlens? I've heard of Ohlins.

Bob: I think your browser's sarcasm detector needs the latest update.
At least it got the Ohlens part. Someone will buy this, take it to a track day and roll it. }:)
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:10 am
by Jeff Ringer
s2000?
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:42 pm
by Cam Correa
I got to learn alot a this past Cal. spd way event 9/13-14/08.
& I learned riding with Jeff Ringer how nice mid engines cars handle & after riding in a couple of miatas how well those run as well.
Yet I also learned how bad my old stock Stang dont handle very well.
Maybe thats do to it being 1000% Stock with old original shocks & etc etc.....
But being the comments made to me by an experienced AX'er that drove my car, really has me re-thinking what I what to drive?
What's the top 5 best cars to AX on the cheapest budget?
Seems Miatas are very popular?
& I really liked how the mid engine MR2 handles as well.
& that has me wondering about Mid Engine cars?
remember the key in my quest is cheap.
I'm actually considering a trade for my '85 GT vert.
& that is a disirable year/model in Mustang world.
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:03 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Miatas run in several classes, depends on year and prep, but it can be done cheaply.
The 2nd gen MR2 also runs in a few classes; the NA will be cheaper than the Turbo.
Older Honda Civic Si or CRX Si.
C4 Corvette hardtop
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:52 am
by Jayson Woodruff
I've got a couple 1st gen MR2s that I'll be getting rid of at the end of the year cheap. They're fun to build for STS2 or CSM, maybe even CSP now and I've had success RallyXing them. One is good to drive out of the box, the other drives but could use some refreshing.
Jay W
Re: Whats the best cheap used car to buy for AutoCross?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:55 am
by Cam Correa
I was actually surprised to see only one MR2 at this past event.
