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Steve, nice job finding and posting this stuff as it became available. This stuff should be required reading for Obama supporters and fence sitters. But alas, most Obama supporters don't know who this man is and don't seem to care. While admittedly our system is far from perfect, it's certainly the only system where many can rise from poverty to a position of wealth and certainly better than a system of throwing crumbs to the masses. I wonder what the reaction will be when people realize who they have voted for? Who'd a thunk it. And yet here we are. Is there still a chance? Maybe. But with the amount of early voting, it doesn't look good

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Okay, I've held off getting into this argument, but I have to comment after this. Steve touting all the extreme righty crap is just like a lefty touting all the extreme lefty crap. Bottom line: it's all crap. Obama is a liberal, and he's probably gonna win. He's not a terrorist, he's not directly tied to terrorists, there's no conspiracy going on here, and the world as we know it will not end when (if?) Obama is elected in. BTW, let me point out that I'm a registered republican and have been since I was 18. Voted for Reagan, HW and W (the first time, and in retrospect, the worst voting decision I've made). W was the worst case scenario (he will go down in history as the worst president in history, bar none). There can't possibly be anything worse, regardless who wins in 08.

Kurt Rahn wrote:There can't possibly be anything worse, regardless who wins in 08.

Careful what you wish for...

Kurt Rahn wrote:Okay, I've held off getting into this argument, but I have to comment after this. Steve touting all the extreme righty crap is just like a lefty touting all the extreme lefty crap. Bottom line: it's all crap. Obama is a liberal, and he's probably gonna win. He's not a terrorist, he's not directly tied to terrorists, there's no conspiracy going on here, and the world as we know it will not end when (if?) Obama is elected in. BTW, let me point out that I'm a registered republican and have been since I was 18. Voted for Reagan, HW and W (the first time, and in retrospect, the worst voting decision I've made). W was the worst case scenario (he will go down in history as the worst president in history, bar none). There can't possibly be anything worse, regardless who wins in 08.

On the one hand we have an old man that lives by a code of honor rarely seen in politics today. He can hardly be classified as a right winger. Most Republicans are again holding their noses on this one. But, he had been honest and forthright about his views. On the other hand we have Obama, who at the very least is a fraud and a blatant liar, who has done everything possible to hide his background and his agenda. In fact his agenda has changed dramatically during the long campaign. This guy is extreme even by Democrat standards. He is now joking in his stump speeches about being called a socialist. But that label is quite accurate.

Obama's election will be a foreign policy nightmare. This guy is not a terrorist, but his closest friends are terrorists, terrorist sympathizers and racists. These are not family members. These are people he has chosen to hang with. Don't we choose as our friends people who basically think as we do. This is why he has continually had to lie about who his friends are.
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The reason we are so concerned is because of the dramatic changes he wants to make. We're concerned about the number of decent people he has fooled. This guy is not who he appears to be Kurt. Take the time to go through the stuff Steve posted and then comment.

This one is bad...

I don't give a crap about W, he's not running.

Obama is a threat. One of the wacko groups makes an interesting point. They are a wacko group but when the mainstream media is purely campaigning for Obama where do you turn for info? That means you have to work, read, filter, analysis for yourself. But the interesting point was, that if Obama was not a US Senator. There is no chance in hell he'd be get a Security clearance. Makes me think. Most of you are so koolade bloated now that any wake-up call on Obama is simply a right-wing smear.

I saw a blog post talking about how great it was that there man Obama had finally addressed the Ayers thing straight on head on directly, all questions answered, case closed.... What did Obama say to close the case??? "The Ayers thing is a smear..."

Oh yeah, that settles it. Good to know.

The guy is a fraud.

Kurt Rahn wrote: Okay, I've held off getting into this argument, but I have to comment after this. Steve touting all the extreme righty crap is just like a lefty touting all the extreme lefty crap. Bottom line: it's all crap. Obama is a liberal, and he's probably gonna win. He's not a terrorist, he's not directly tied to terrorists, there's no conspiracy going on here, and the world as we know it will not end when (if?) Obama is elected in. BTW, let me point out that I'm a registered republican and have been since I was 18. Voted for Reagan, HW and W (the first time, and in retrospect, the worst voting decision I've made). W was the worst case scenario (he will go down in history as the worst president in history, bar none). There can't possibly be anything worse, regardless who wins in 08.

Amen. Chicken Littles: get back into your inhumane cramped little cages. The sky is not falling. That is all.

If you're not a koolade drinker, you're not welcome.....

I'm sure this is some sort of Harvard reverse psychology thing or something... I mean Obama is supposed to bring us all together, be bi-partisan right???? He's supposed to heal the wounds....

Still, I'm oddly troubled... Don't know why.... Isn't he stealing from Nixon's playbook....


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George Schilling wrote:
On the one hand we have an old man that lives by a code of honor rarely seen in politics today.

B.S. His campaign turned dirty at the convention and has stayed that way. He himself might present a more measured front at rallies, but his running mate stands by while members of the crowd shout "Kill him!" in reference to the lead opponent. Someone with a code of honor that's worth a s--- wouldn't allow that to happen.

I guess Peggy Noonan and Bill Fromme are just too dumb to see the sweetness and light of the McCain-Palin campaign.

Kurt Rahn wrote: W was the worst case scenario (he will go down in history as the worst president in history, bar none). There can't possibly be anything worse, regardless who wins in 08.

W will make Warren G. Harding look like a piker.

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but his running mate stands by while members of the crowd shout "Kill him!"

The Secret Service investigated this and didn't find anything to the story. Another rumor. Also, Pew compared Obama and McCain's campaigns earlier this month and found both to be equally negative. Ive already voted (for Obama) but I'm still pretty disgusted with the overall Obama bias in the media and how they've savaged McCain and Palin (another Pew study corroborates this). That's not Obama's fault and I don't blame him for taking advantage of the weasels in the MSM.

John Coffey wrote:

but his running mate stands by while members of the crowd shout "Kill him!"

The Secret Service investigated this and didn't find anything to the story. Another rumor.

It's audible on video from one rally. Didn't find any of the Pew analysis at the foundation's sites.

As for MSM, how are Fox and the Wall Street Journal not part of that? Washington Times, Hartford Courant? Chicago Tribune, long a Republican paper, never endorsed a Democrat until now.

How was Palin savaged? Someone ask her about Supreme Court decisions? Her failings belong right at the feet of McCain.

I don't think any of the media outlets are more biased then FOX for McCain though!

Mako Koiwai wrote:I don't think any of the media outlets are more biased then FOX for McCain though!

It's the only television outlet pro-McCain. Even though it is the highest rated cable news network, I can't image it being more that 1% of total viewership.

I feel like I'm spitting into the wind here. Try to see the big picture. Policies Obama has said he wants to enact have failed everywhere they have been tried. You think our financial crisis is bad, take a look at Europe where they are finally realizing their generous social systems can no longer be sustained. This is the left's model. When all this news of a financial crisis broke a few weeks ago, people all over the world rushed to put their money in a safe haven. It wasn't gold. It was the US dollar. Why? Because, despite it's problems, we still have the best financial system in the world. If Obama does what he says he will do, he will effectively destroy that system. Is no one here worried about Iran and nuclear arms? Obama, a man who has accomplish absolutely nothing in his life (he didn't even write his own books it turns out), is going to go to Iran, give a speech, flash his smile, wiggle his ears, and all will be OK. Geez.

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:It's audible on video from one rally. Didn't find any of the Pew analysis at the foundation's sites.

So one guy at one rally supposedly yells "kill him" and it becomes a national news story. It just shows you the thirst of the MSM in their zeal to support Obama and put McCain and Palin in the hot seat. There's no story here, and certainly no evidence that whoever was at the podium even heard it. One guy yelling "kill him"? What does this have to do with the future of our country?

someone brought a pumpkin with a silhouette of Obama carved into it for our pumpkin carving competition.

I hope that person wins, so we can all take his winnings.

The liberal koolade types really want to argue about which side has the most obnoxious protesters and crackpots??? Seriously? You want to argue that????

Unreal.

George Schilling wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:It's audible on video from one rally. Didn't find any of the Pew analysis at the foundation's sites.

So one guy at one rally supposedly yells "kill him" and it becomes a national news story. It just shows you the thirst of the MSM in their zeal to support Obama and put McCain and Palin in the hot seat. There's no story here, and certainly no evidence that whoever was at the podium even heard it. One guy yelling "kill him"? What does this have to do with the future of our country?

The Secret Service took it seriously. But if you can't see what is wrong with ANYONE standing by and allowing someone to foment political assassination, then I guess that if Obama wins and is killed it won't matter.

I've been watching political campaigns for 40 years, and this one is beyond the pale. Once GOP nastiness started at the convention, the DNC started in. Why? Because those who have tried to take the high road in this country and not respond to attack ads have lost just about every time out. Just because you can't get your news tailored to your political view from the so-called MSM--a conveniently undefined entity--looking only at sources that offer you comfort by not challenging your views isn't being informed.

if the ticket was Biden/Obama vs. McCain/Palin, i'd probably have to think harder on who i'd vote for. Biden's pretty far left, but at least he's got enough experience and history for me to believe at least a bit of what he says.

edit for relevancy: I'd maybe vote Obama/Biden if i knew Obama would be assassinated..

Steve Ekstrand wrote:The liberal koolade types really want to argue about which side has the most obnoxious protesters and crackpots??? Seriously? You want to argue that????

Unreal.

I don't think there is an argument. Both sides took the low road. McCain and the GOP took the slimier track. It was much the same way in 2004. In 2000, not so much. We've talked about close elections bringing out the worst political strategies. Well, except for that Kid and Mushroom Cloud ad against Goldwater; LBJ wasn't going lose.

Speaking of Barry Goldwater, I hear he's coming back from the dead to vote Obama.

Plenty of things to hate about both sides.
Plenty of wackos both sides.

But the Marxists tend only to live with the donkeys.

Got a little quesy at lunch.

Ann Coulter is calling Obama a Marxist. I can't believe I'm out there sharing a totally wacko extreme position with that bitch Coulter. Know though that Marxist means something else to me as an economist who respects Karl Marx, than it probably means to most conservative wackos.

I've been talking to Bob a LOT offline. And I told him I don't like Republican pundits. I hate Rush, Coulter, Hannity, Savage, etc... I find Dick Morris very interesting. I find David Gergen very interesting. Both were Clinton staffers. Morris of course, probably needs physical protection from Clintonistas.

Obama and especially Obama sitting with Pelosi and Reid led supermajorities, is very scary to me. McCain isn't scary. And gov't would be very liberal with either McCain or Palin. No way around veto proof Democratic control. But at least you'd have McCain picking moderate enough justices that the dems would be pressured to approve. With Obama, there is no need for restraint. He could make William Ayers a justice (not saying he would). But there are plenty of dangerous activist jurists he certainly would consider.

Change isn't a bad thing. I'm no where near as conservative as George the Plumber. Or the MooseLady. But unrestrained wholesale change in too big of a hurry because you know this is your parties big shot, is really troubling.

back in 2000, I thought W would do terrible things to/for the Republican party.

I'm saying it now, so that i can come back to it in 2004: Obama is going to do terrible things to the Democratic party.

I hate that every time I pull the handle I hate myself. I voted for Bush in 00 and 04. I knew he was an idiot. But you think I'd be okay voting for algore or Monsieur Kerry?

I guess I'm going to have to vote for Obama though.... Don't want a civil war....
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Steve and I have talked a lot off line the past couple of days, enough that we're drawing the ire of Stacey and Lois.

I don't find Palin moderate in the slightest.

Ann Coulter says a lot of things. Most of it is designed to enhance her media exposure. If Ms. Coulter had the balls to call me a traitor to my face, I'd probably smack her. OK, even though she doesn't have ... . She wouldn't know a true patriot if one bit her the ass. Same goes for Malkin, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Olberman, Colmes, et. al.

Now, if all the dire predictions of the end of the earth don't come to pass, then what? Bring back Ken Starr? If the economy turns up, will it be credit W? And if it doesn't will it be fault Obama?

Steve Ekstrand wrote:I hate that every time I pull the handle I hate myself. I voted for Bush in 00 and 04. I knew he was an idiot. But you think I'd be okay voting for algore or Monsieur Kerry?

I guess I'm going to have to vote for Obama though.... Don't want a civil war....
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Almost sounded like the Onion. The Italians probably thought she was joking or speaking German.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Change isn't a bad thing. I'm no where near as conservative as George the Plumber. Or the MooseLady. But unrestrained wholesale change in too big of a hurry because you know this is your parties big shot, is really troubling.

You might be wrong on that one Steve. Are you for legalization of drugs? Choice until an age of viability? Legalizing prostitution? These are my views.

However, our economy and national defense take priority. Without these in order, nothing else matters.

I would legalize some drugs and most prostitution. But I would regulate and tax both just like any business with such a direct health and safety effect.
Some things lawyers can't fix...
I'm not a capitalist.

Okay with choice til viability. Not sure how you define it legally though.

And.... National security first, but that's a pass or fail. Once you protect our sovereignty then extra strength there slides down the priority list.
Economy is second. But it is a chicken and the egg sort of problem...