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Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:20 pm
by Sebastian Rios
The suspension fork that connects the lower A-arm to the shock on my STS Civic is stripped where the top bolt goes in. Can I re-tap it and use a bigger bolt to fix it?

The first section of the Stock category has this

Alternate components which are normally expendable and
considered replacement parts (e.g., engine and wheel bearings,
seals, gaskets, filters, belts, bolts, bulbs, batteries, brake rotors,
clutch discs, pressure plates, suspension bushings, drivetrain
mounts, etc.) may be used provided they are essentially identical to
the standard parts (e.g. have the same type, size, hardness, weight,
material etc.), are used in the same location, and provide no
performance benefit.


But does the fact that the new bolt is not essentially identical mean I have to get a new fork?

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:30 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Suspension fork?

Apart from that, the fix should be legal. Don't know whether it is.

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:33 pm
by Mike Simanyi
Use the appropriate-size helicoil to retain the stock bolt. McMaster Carr sells the components individually or in kits. If you have a McFadden-Dale location nearby, they'll have it too.

Mike

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:40 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/aut ... +LOWER+ARM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Item 12&13
Available new for $64

I think this is what Seb is talking about. Its listed seperate from the front shock so I don't think it can be altered. I'm not 100% on that though. Certainly wouldn't be something I'd protest. And I can't conceive of a performance benefit.

Still, you know how our class is.....

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:40 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Or like Mike said..... :)

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:54 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Mike Simanyi wrote:Use the appropriate-size helicoil to retain the stock bolt. McMaster Carr sells the components individually or in kits. If you have a McFadden-Dale location nearby, they'll have it too.

Mike
That might just work, do you think I'll have to bring the whole part or just the bolt to get the right size?

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:57 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Steve Ekstrand wrote:http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/aut ... +LOWER+ARM

Item 12&13
Available new for $64

I think this is what Seb is talking about. Its listed seperate from the front shock so I don't think it can be altered. I'm not 100% on that though. Certainly wouldn't be something I'd protest. And I can't conceive of a performance benefit.

Still, you know how our class is.....
Yeah that's the part. It's stripped where bolt #16 goes in. Thanks for the schematic. I might just get a new one.

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:05 pm
by Mike Simanyi
The way it works is you basically tap the female threads to a larger size, then the coil threads provide an inside diameter sized appropriately for your bolt.

I think you'll need to know the bolt size and thread pitch, plus the depth of the threads. I haven't used one of these in years but I seem to recall the kits include a drill bit and tap to prepare the threads for the coil. You'll need some cutting oil as well. Work slowly and carefully and you should be good.

After the threads are recut the rest is easy. Thread the coil onto the bolt and thread the entire assembly into place. As you tighten the nut it will break the end piece of the coil - like a little tail that the bolt stops on, preventing it from being threaded further - and the bolt will continue to thread into place.

Although for $64 you might be happier with the new arm.

Mike

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:12 pm
by Jason Rhoades
It has previously been argued/agreed, that part is "free" in ST/SP under the shock mounting allowance. Do whatever you want with it.

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:19 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Mike Simanyi wrote:The way it works is you basically tap the female threads to a larger size, then the coil threads provide an inside diameter sized appropriately for your bolt.

I think you'll need to know the bolt size and thread pitch, plus the depth of the threads. I haven't used one of these in years but I seem to recall the kits include a drill bit and tap to prepare the threads for the coil. You'll need some cutting oil as well. Work slowly and carefully and you should be good.

After the threads are recut the rest is easy. Thread the coil onto the bolt and thread the entire assembly into place. As you tighten the nut it will break the end piece of the coil - like a little tail that the bolt stops on, preventing it from being threaded further - and the bolt will continue to thread into place.
Is it just late Friday afternoon goofiness, or did that description sounds vaguely pornographic? I was humming a "bwah bwicka bwah bwah" soundtrack to myself as I read it. Oh well...off to take a cold shower.

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:22 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Kurt Rahn wrote:
Mike Simanyi wrote:The way it works is you basically tap the female threads to a larger size, then the coil threads provide an inside diameter sized appropriately for your bolt.

I think you'll need to know the bolt size and thread pitch, plus the depth of the threads. I haven't used one of these in years but I seem to recall the kits include a drill bit and tap to prepare the threads for the coil. You'll need some cutting oil as well. Work slowly and carefully and you should be good.

After the threads are recut the rest is easy. Thread the coil onto the bolt and thread the entire assembly into place. As you tighten the nut it will break the end piece of the coil - like a little tail that the bolt stops on, preventing it from being threaded further - and the bolt will continue to thread into place.
Is it just late Friday afternoon goofiness, or did that description sounds vaguely pornographic? I was humming a "bwah bwicka bwah bwah" soundtrack to myself as I read it. Oh well...off to take a cold shower.
I suggest the use of anti-seize.

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:42 pm
by Jason Flores
Jason Rhoades wrote:It has previously been argued/agreed, that part is "free" in ST/SP under the shock mounting allowance. Do whatever you want with it.
+1

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:23 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Meh...too much hassle, I ordered one at my local stealership it'll be here tomorrow. My time and frustration is worth more than $65.

BTW they had a CR on sale for only 32K. It had the C&C junk though (A/C Radio etc.).

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:20 pm
by Jonathan Lugod
Jason Rhoades wrote:It has previously been argued/agreed, that part is "free" in ST/SP under the shock mounting allowance. Do whatever you want with it.
yay good news for me... one less item to spend money on. Thanks!

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:57 am
by Steve Ekstrand
Jason Rhoades wrote:It has previously been argued/agreed, that part is "free" in ST/SP under the shock mounting allowance. Do whatever you want with it.


Hmmm... Like craft it out of aluminum!

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:59 pm
by Curt Luther
Sebastian Rios wrote: BTW they had a CR on sale for only 32K. It had the C&C junk though (A/C Radio etc.).
Color? You know how I likes my wimmenz...

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:53 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Old Banana: Yellow w/black top. :(

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:12 pm
by Curt Luther
Sebastian Rios wrote:Old Banana: Yellow w/black top. :(
Actually, that's "Soul Fried Rice" at the Cherry Patch in Pahrump...

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:30 am
by Sebastian Rios
Curt Luther wrote:
Sebastian Rios wrote:Old Banana: Yellow w/black top. :(
Actually, that's "Soul Fried Rice" at the Cherry Patch in Pahrump...
I don't get it...You'll have to explain it in real life because I'm sure it's not appropriate here. ;)

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:40 am
by Steve Ekstrand
Its a two girl special Seb....

Re: Rules Question

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:53 am
by Sebastian Rios
I just got it... :oops: :lol: