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The way they performed in their second go-round in F! makes me think they shouldn't have bothered. Their first run was spectacular...they should have left it at that if they weren't ready to commit what it takes to win.

Kurt Rahn wrote:The way they performed in their second go-round in F! makes me think they shouldn't have bothered. Their first run was spectacular...they should have left it at that if they weren't ready to commit what it takes to win.

I think Toyota's proven that it takes more than commitment to win. Right place, Right time, Right people.

They've made solid progress, though, while Honda never really did. Toyota will contend in the next couple years.

Kurt Rahn wrote:They've made solid progress, though, while Honda never really did. Toyota will contend in the next couple years.

Well don't forget BAR Honda did finish 2nd in the Constructors championship in 2004 and Honda was 4th on 2006. They were certainly trying, last 2 years have been poor though. Though it was only a few years ago that Williams had a great car...

BAR was a different chassis with a Honda engine, whereas Honda chassis/engine has never really contended. I guess, though, that Honda was always at its best just building engines (witness Championships with McLaren and Williams). Maybe they should've just stuck to that.

Hate to see Rubens kicked to the curb like this, but I do understand.

It'll be interesting to see if Bernie will find himself in a much weaker negotiating position very soon...would only seem reasonable that King George might well get his final offer accepted before long.

Even the NFL is cutting back!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/f ... ml?cnn=yes

Now Subie is out of WRC....and Suzuki. Think this is bigger than simply car racing. I get the ominous feeling that they know something horrible is 'bout to happen that we (the ordinary public) don't know about. Hope I'm wrong ... but ...

Reijo

Reijo Silvennoinen wrote:Now Subie is out of WRC....and Suzuki. Think this is bigger than simply car racing. I get the ominous feeling that they know something horrible is 'bout to happen that we (the ordinary public) don't know about. Hope I'm wrong ... but ...

Reijo

rumor is that peugot/citron is looking at buying honda's f1 team.

Goodbye Subaru.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12 ... lly-stage/

(Thanks for the link Mark Coleman)

Kurt Rahn wrote:The way they performed in their second go-round in F! makes me think they shouldn't have bothered. Their first run was spectacular...they should have left it at that if they weren't ready to commit what it takes to win.

Honda's first go-round in the 1960s wasn't all that great, it was their chassis and engine. Ritchie Ginther won a single race for them. The second time they supplied engines in the '80s-90s that won several driver and constructor championships. This time they took over the BAR team and made it worse.

Suzuki and Subie out of WRC; Audi pulls factory team from ALMS and ELMS; Porsche pulls factory LMP2 team from ALMS. Audi and Porsche will supply customer cars, but whose got the sponsorship dollars to run? Richard Petty's team is now part of Gillett Evernham. Must be about time for an IRL team to disappear.

More Honda cuts today with the announcement that the NSX is canceled.

And Reijo, you'll find that I agree with you here: http://www.keytothehighway.net/2008/12/ ... c-ripples/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So Sad, automakers are hurting big time. Rumor has it Honda also pulled out of the Detroit Auto Show.

It was only a matter of time before something happened with IRL. Detroit Grand Prix has been canceled for 2009, so that scratches a race from the IRL and ALMS calendars.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/12/ ... rari-deal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Goodbye F1 in toto?

F1 is the best! And they don't even have to field a race to be wildly entertaining! God bless Bernie!