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http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/09/0 ... ck-feb.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


it's not out yet...but when it does get released, I WIN!

ha! take that Gio!

Marshall Grice wrote:http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/09/0 ... ck-feb.pdf


it's not out yet...but when it does get released, I WIN!

ha! take that Gio!

You BIATCH!!! Posting a broken link in hopes that it gets populated?? Very sneaky of you! Planning to work at Ferrari anytime soon?

Two can play at that game:

http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/09/0 ... ck-mar.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's March's FasTrack! it's a preview into the minds of the SEB. I have Jedi skills so I can forsee the future (moving Evos to ASP)

damn. i got beat at my own game!

Pfft, you're all amatures

Here's the fastrack for february 2022
http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/22/0 ... ck-feb.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Marshall missed changing one number in the link and now his link will never work. Hahaha.

Feburary fastrack:
Full version http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/ ... ck-feb.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Solo section http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/ ... b-solo.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Huh... Christine's link actually works. The Feb Fastrack is alive!!

I win!

Christine Berry wrote:Marshall missed changing one number in the link and now his link will never work. Hahaha.

Feburary fastrack:
Full version http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/ ... ck-feb.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Solo section http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/ ... b-solo.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't know what you're talking about. My link works just fine.



Pay no attention to the edit tag at the bottom of my post. }:)

Not that the new BMW M3 (E92) has a great chance in A-Stock but I agree moving it there from the even bigger shark tank of Super Stock, where it would have NO chance. It's just too heavy a car to go up against Lotus, Corvette, Viper, 911 GT2 (or 3)

Anyone know about the '95-'97 911 Turbo?

With AWD, 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and 398 point 3 ft lbs of torque (I like the precision those Chermans bring to the table) it seems to me it should crush the other cars.

Mike

Mike Simanyi wrote:Anyone know about the '95-'97 911 Turbo?

With AWD, 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and 398 point 3 ft lbs of torque (I like the precision those Chermans bring to the table) it seems to me it should crush the other cars.

Mike

993 turbo's can't be super easy to come by in bone stock form these days.. that and you breaking input shafts at pro's would be a bit limiting.

Having autocrossed a few of those 4wd 911's, I can say with absolute certainty it will not be faster than a Boxster S.
Maybe with a Street Prepared suspension you could get it to turn, but not in Stock.

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:Not that the new BMW M3 (E92) has a great chance in A-Stock but I agree moving it there from the even bigger shark tank of Super Stock, where it would have NO chance. It's just too heavy a car to go up against Lotus, Corvette, Viper, 911 GT2 (or 3)

Gio,
996 GT2 ($200k new) is not in SS, thank goodness.

Gary Thomason wrote:

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:Not that the new BMW M3 (E92) has a great chance in A-Stock but I agree moving it there from the even bigger shark tank of Super Stock, where it would have NO chance. It's just too heavy a car to go up against Lotus, Corvette, Viper, 911 GT2 (or 3)

Gio,
996 GT2 ($200k new) is not in SS, thank goodness.

Thanks for the correction. So is it automatically in ASP or is it NOC?

GT2 = ASP

Christine Berry wrote:GT2 = ASP

AKA, it's on the stock exclusion list.

So is the PROPOSAL saying C5Z would stay in SS and all other C5 to AS? I don't want to assume I understand what the SEB has written/proposed.

Second, does the 911 CARRERA (such as 1997 911 Carrera) and GT3 stay in SS but the rest of 911 go to AS? Sorry, just not used to how SEB writes up these proposals.

bump

Hey Bob, all modern 911's (since the '80's) are Carrerras.

The 996 GT2 is slower for autoX than the 996 GT3 in stock form. It should be allowed in SS.

Once the suspension has been updated, and the turbo lag problem reduced (headers, sport cats and exhaust + ECU tuning) the GT2 takes the lead. However, I remember back at the 2006 Nationals, a SuperStock Black GT3 on Kumhos (a West coast car) was running around the same times as a highly modified 996 GT2. Both drivers are top level drivers. This same highly tuned ASP GT2 ran at the 2008 Nationals in XP with a very good driver, and the times were not a match for the top SS times.

Problems with the 996 GT2:
- no power below 3500rpm, there is huge turbo lag. LFB is not possible due to the e-gas cutting the throttle.
- too soft rear springs, never got fixed. The car pushes a lot.

You can get a 996 GT2 for low to mid 80s which is about the price of a new Z06 3LZ. However, the A/C delete, PCCB 996GT3 with its better spring rates, 200 lbs lighter, and narrower body will still do better for autoX. The two 996 GT3 that have won Nationals haven't been prepared to the limits of Super Stock, they both ran stock shocks, not the lightest wheels, and A/C.

OT: Rad, how do you like the M3's DCT? Better than the old single clutch setup?

I believe Gary's GT3 wasn't using stock shock

Robert Puertas wrote:Hey Bob, all modern 911's (since the '80's) are Carrerras.

Thanks Robert, I am clearly not up to speed on all the variations of this marque.

So 04/05 splits the line between AS/SS under the proposal.

Rad Delgado wrote:The 996 GT2 is slower for autoX than the 996 GT3 in stock form. It should be allowed in SS.

Once the suspension has been updated, and the turbo lag problem reduced (headers, sport cats and exhaust + ECU tuning) the GT2 takes the lead. However, I remember back at the 2006 Nationals, a SuperStock Black GT3 on Kumhos (a West coast car) was running around the same times as a highly modified 996 GT2. Both drivers are top level drivers. This same highly tuned ASP GT2 ran at the 2008 Nationals in XP with a very good driver, and the times were not a match for the top SS times.

Problems with the 996 GT2:
- no power below 3500rpm, there is huge turbo lag. LFB is not possible due to the e-gas cutting the throttle.
- too soft rear springs, never got fixed. The car pushes a lot.

You can get a 996 GT2 for low to mid 80s which is about the price of a new Z06 3LZ. However, the A/C delete, PCCB 996GT3 with its better spring rates, 200 lbs lighter, and narrower body will still do better for autoX. The two 996 GT3 that have won Nationals haven't been prepared to the limits of Super Stock, they both ran stock shocks, not the lightest wheels, and A/C.

Hmm, that's a pretty skewed argument towards the GT2.. IMHO, James likely would've been faster in his (sorta) GT2 that he won ASP in '05 as opposed to GTho's GT3 in '06. And after '06 once HPT developed some grip the GT2 gains more than the GT3. I believe XP had some of the least advantageous conditions while SS has some of the best in '08. Not sure what was up with Greg's times in XP but having driven that car earlier this year it was certainly capable of going faster relative to ASP and SS.

I LFB and have never had problems with the e-Gas, I suppose it depends on how you do it tho...

Gary's car was more "prepared" than that this year, but yes he still has A/C.

Rad Delgado wrote:The 996 GT2 is slower for autoX than the 996 GT3 in stock form. It should be allowed in SS.

Once the suspension has been updated, and the turbo lag problem reduced (headers, sport cats and exhaust + ECU tuning) the GT2 takes the lead. However, I remember back at the 2006 Nationals, a SuperStock Black GT3 on Kumhos (a West coast car) was running around the same times as a highly modified 996 GT2. Both drivers are top level drivers. This same highly tuned ASP GT2 ran at the 2008 Nationals in XP with a very good driver, and the times were not a match for the top SS times.

Problems with the 996 GT2:
- no power below 3500rpm, there is huge turbo lag. LFB is not possible due to the e-gas cutting the throttle.
- too soft rear springs, never got fixed. The car pushes a lot.

You can get a 996 GT2 for low to mid 80s which is about the price of a new Z06 3LZ. However, the A/C delete, PCCB 996GT3 with its better spring rates, 200 lbs lighter, and narrower body will still do better for autoX. The two 996 GT3 that have won Nationals haven't been prepared to the limits of Super Stock, they both ran stock shocks, not the lightest wheels, and A/C.

Rad,

Few know more about Porsches than you do, and you're probably right about some of the issues of the GT2 in stock form, but some of conclusions you have made here are a reach. For one thing, the price has only very recently fallen to near those levels because of the horrible economy. Eight months ago a decent 966 GT2 was $100k+, too much for stock class in my opinion. And the actual performance potential in stock form is a relative unknown, making the car too big a risk to class in SS right now. I suspect the makeup of SS will change as soon as next year (GT-R, Viper ACR, 997 GT3, etc), and the 996 GT2 market price will likely drop even more, making it a possible addition.

The examples you cite above are not really great ones for reasons that I am not going to go into huge detail here, but we all know comparing two or three cars with different drivers on different days is problematic. The exact same driver you mention in the modified GT2 in XP this year at nationals also drove a modified 996 GT3 in ASP a few years ago at nationals, and was a second off of the top SS times then too, which illustrates my point. To be more balanced in your assessment above, you might have mentioned the GT2 has 73 hp/172 lb-ft more torque, and wider wheels than the GT3.

And BTW, my car (one of the ones you mention) is equipped with Motons, PCCB, e-gas, the wheels are within a pound of the lightest available in these sizes, and I spent quite a bit of time testing and tuning it last year. I tried, but was unable to source magnesium BBS in stock size for the front. I also considered pulling the A/C, but felt the loss to the car's resale value and my preference to run the A/C in grid outweighed the advantage. It weighed 2998 lbs at nationals.

But, what do I know?

How come I haven't seen you and your new car at any events since you moved out?
Bring it on out.......I'll make sure I make that event! }:)