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Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:57 pm
by John Terrey
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Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:27 pm
by John Terrey
Hello All,

Please excuse the empty post before. Hopefully this works and the pics will be viewable for all. My OEM battery was aging and I decided to replace with a 15lb Braille battery. I could go lighter but this is a daily driver so I was a little conservative. After I sheared abolt it became apparent that I would need to double down and get the Brailler bracket. Here's some pics of the install which was much easier than I anticipated. The final outcome looks very nice- too bad you can't see it unless the carpet is removed!

Here's my OEM or at least the battery that came with the car.
OEM Battery
OEM Battery
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Notice sheared bolt.

Here's the broken support tray that also required the Braille bracket.
Broken Battery Tray
Broken Battery Tray
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Here's the batteries side by side.
Old and new
Old and new
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I'll add a few more posts to complete.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:39 pm
by John Terrey
Here's the Baseplate and Bracket
Bracket and Baseplate
Bracket and Baseplate
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Here's the guide marks I made with a grease pencil for the screws that drill through the floor pan.
Drill Guides
Drill Guides
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And here's those screws and 1mm washers required to secure the top cross bracket at the proper elevation

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:50 pm
by John Terrey
Here's the baseplate after drilling into the floorpan!
Baseplate
Baseplate
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Here's the completed bracket assembly. The key is to add the 1mm washer to each side so the top cross bar doesn't crush the battery. Make sure you do this before you screw it into your car.
Completed bracket
Completed bracket
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Next, place the battery in the bracket attach the cross bar, tighten and you're done!
Smells like Victory!
Smells like Victory!
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I've been driving the car daily without incident. I make a point of it to never leave the radio or lights on without running the car and all has been fine. The morning starts are quick and powerful.

I'll update if there are any developments. Please let me know if you have any other cool battery advice. Next I'm on to a light weight muffler. Any suggestions would be appreciated. My goal is to keep the car a daily driver so the noise level must be reasonable. Thanks!

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:14 am
by Aaron Goldsmith
My only suggestion is to disconnect the battery if you're going to leave the car for a week, i'm on my second braille right now.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:28 am
by Christine Grice
Aaron Goldsmith wrote:My only suggestion is to disconnect the battery if you're going to leave the car for a week, i'm on my second braille right now.
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Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:13 am
by Mako Koiwai
John and I have been talking lighter replacement batteries for a while. He went with the 5 Star set-up. I went with the the low rent, lighter, non-daily driver Miata, Deka Power Sports AGM ATV Motorcycle Battery ETX9, about 5 lbs ... $55 plus $12.35 shipping. Arrived in two days from Pennsylvania, Fedex. I also bought a Battery Tender Jr, $24 something on eBay, to keep it charged between events. SAE terminals were another $11.

I'll be cobbling up a mounting system for it at Henry's workshop. Andy's Miata install write up: http://tinyurl.com/cgdykn

Photos to follow.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:16 pm
by Marshall Grice
Mako Koiwai wrote:John and I have been talking lighter replacement batteries for a while. He went with the 5 Star set-up. I went with the the low rent, lighter, non-daily driver Miata, Deka Power Sports AGM ATV Motorcycle Battery ETX9, about 5 lbs ... $55 plus $12.35 shipping.
John could have bought the deka Etx14 and ended up with the exact same battery he has now for half the price.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:34 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Here' the bracket I made for my Odyssey:
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Note the ground runs through the mount:
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Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:38 am
by Marshall Grice
Bob Beamesderfer wrote: Note the ground runs through the mount:
i'm kind of surprised that works. the single point contact of a j-hook is far from the ideal ground path.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:41 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Marshall Grice wrote:
Bob Beamesderfer wrote: Note the ground runs through the mount:
i'm kind of surprised that works. the single point contact of a j-hook is far from the ideal ground path.
Two J-hooks. :)

I might return it to it's normal spot, which is a 10mm bolt into the chassis a few inches above where it is now. There was less strain with the current setup.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:23 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Here's my low rent battery tie-down ... battery is 6 X 4.25 X 3.5 (W/H/D)

"Hard" foam underneath and between strap and battery top.

Do you think I should have crush tubes between the Miata battery tub base and the strap?

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:20 pm
by Michael Heinitz
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Although a different generation Miata, here is my Odyssey 545 and custom mount.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:15 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Installed ... a 4X4 Deck Post Tie fits perfectly over the 3.5" wide Deka ETX9 battery:

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:26 pm
by Todd Victoria
Will the Braille bracket work with the Deka battery?

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:04 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Not that particular Braille top ... there are many sizes of Braille/Deka batteries and hold down straps.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:31 pm
by Chad Stubblefield
i got a Braille with this gadget on top.

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Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:19 pm
by Mako Koiwai
We have a new winner in how much can you spend on your light weight after market battery/install!

signed ... jealous (love the cut-off!)

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:26 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Henry's brand new Odyssey battery blew up on Sunday at the Porsche AX ?! Left the car dead on course during his 2nd timed run. Case/top is bulged out.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:53 pm
by Steve Lepper
Mako Koiwai wrote:Henry's brand new Odyssey battery blew up on Sunday at the Porsche AX ?! Left the car dead on course during his 2nd timed run. Case/top is bulged out.

Is the angle of that shot, or did the positive terminal get over against the hold-down bracket? A short like that would sure blow one up.

Is the battery still in the front on that Porsche?


PS: Save your money... Braille batteries are just a fancy sticker on another popular maker's battery. They cross-reference directly to many standard motorcycle and commercial sizes.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:03 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Steve Lepper wrote:
Mako Koiwai wrote:Henry's brand new Odyssey battery blew up on Sunday at the Porsche AX ?! Left the car dead on course during his 2nd timed run. Case/top is bulged out.

Is the angle of that shot, or did the positive terminal get over against the hold-down bracket? A short like that would sure blow one up.

Is the battery still in the front on that Porsche?


PS: Save your money... Braille batteries are just a fancy sticker on another popular maker's battery. They cross-reference directly to many standard motorcycle and commercial sizes.
Even the ones with the carbon fiber case?

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:00 pm
by Ethan West
This thread almost makes me happy that I went with a Duralast :lol:

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:29 am
by Steve Lepper
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
Steve Lepper wrote:
Mako Koiwai wrote:Henry's brand new Odyssey battery blew up on Sunday at the Porsche AX ?! Left the car dead on course during his 2nd timed run. Case/top is bulged out.

Is the angle of that shot, or did the positive terminal get over against the hold-down bracket? A short like that would sure blow one up.

Is the battery still in the front on that Porsche?


PS: Save your money... Braille batteries are just a fancy sticker on another popular maker's battery. They cross-reference directly to many standard motorcycle and commercial sizes.
Even the ones with the carbon fiber case?
It's a standard battery that they glue a case over. For high-temp applications, many other battery retailers (like Odyssey) use a metal jacket, and I use a moldable ceramic heat barrier panel that comes from the aircraft industry.

Re: Braille Battery Install with Pics

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:46 pm
by Mako Koiwai
Concerning Henry's blown battery:
The insulation on the positive cable wore through and grounded out to the strap
... something to watch for.