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Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:45 pm
by Mike Shin
In the tradition of Mako Koiwai's pictorial brain teasers, I would like to present two of my own.

I found this extremely odd while I was digging through some shots I took at the Wendover Pro Solo this past weekend. Notice the cars in the photos seems almost miniature compared to the cones and corner workers in the background, it almost seems as if they were R/C cars being raced on a course.

Both images are untouched (Notice all the crap on my sensor) and were shot in Jpeg on 12 FPS burst with Hi-Speed Crop mode on and shot it while sitting on the floor.

Camera: Nikon D2X
Glass: Nikon 80-200 F2.8 AF-S
Filter: B+W Circular Polarizer

1/160 @ F7.1 ISO 100 @ 200mm
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1/160 @ 6.3 ISO 100 @ 200mm
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I just thought it was funny and wanted to share. But anyone have an explanation for this?

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:15 am
by Steve Ekstrand
I was feeling kinda puny this weekend....
Could somebody hand Ken my RC Controls???

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:56 am
by Pete Loney
Hmmm,.... I have some 60 FPS stills to process myself, they kind of did that too....

Do you have any of A Stock?? Me? #77 by chance??? We ran first heat.

Pete...

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:20 am
by Mako Koiwai
Mike ... that's why the SCCA doesn't want you to "sitting on the floor" while shooting. It dangerous ... it creates the miniaturization effect ... which diminishes our sport. 8-)

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:33 am
by Jeff Shyu
also, you need to clean your sensor.. :P

canon services does it for free when you bring it to them, FYI.

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:41 am
by Mako Koiwai
I believe it's just the low angle and the telephoto pulling the background forward. That effect helps one create an extra large setting sun in relationship to the foreground. In your shots the workers are fairly close to the car.

Here, 300 mm on a APS format camera, the person in the bg is so far away the perspective seems normal ... even though I'm very low (not sitting ... just standing in a low point/culvert in the Green lot)

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Here is the same effect as you're seeing ... with the worker closer to the car ... so the long lens is pulling him up to the car ... flattening the shot. I DO try to avoid having workers right behind the car ... because they end up "looming over" the car.

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Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:45 am
by Will Kalman
I agree with Mako and I also think depth of field has something to do with it. Kind of a mild version of tilt-shift lens photography that tweaks the DOF to throw off perspective. EDIT: The motion blur might be creating an artificially shallow DOF by keeping only the subject in sharp focus, too.

These are pictures of real, full-size scenes to show how exaggerated the effect can be.

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Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:56 am
by Kristoffer Gjevre
Will Kalman wrote:...
These are pictures of real, full-size scenes to show how exaggerated the effect can be.
...
You could have fooled me... those looks like photos of scale models... very good ones... but still... :shock:

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:19 pm
by Will Kalman
Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:
Will Kalman wrote:These are pictures of real, full-size scenes to show how exaggerated the effect can be.
You could have fooled me... those looks like photos of scale models... very good ones... but still... :shock:
Wait until you see time-lapse video in this style:
http://gizmodo.com/5060074/amazing-tilt ... -of-us-all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:47 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Will Kalman wrote:
Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:
Will Kalman wrote:These are pictures of real, full-size scenes to show how exaggerated the effect can be.
You could have fooled me... those looks like photos of scale models... very good ones... but still... :shock:
Wait until you see time-lapse video in this style:
http://gizmodo.com/5060074/amazing-tilt ... -of-us-all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Trippy!

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:32 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Compressed perspective from telephoto lens + short DOF + angle.

Interesting shots, Will!

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:52 pm
by Mark Duerst
Steve Ekstrand wrote:I was feeling kinda puny this weekend....
I just knew that Steve was cheating this weekend :heyes:

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:01 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Mark Duerst wrote:
Steve Ekstrand wrote:I was feeling kinda puny this weekend....
I just knew that Steve was cheating this weekend :heyes:
Hey! I'm leading!
https://marketplace.platipussports.com/ ... bview=view" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:04 pm
by Jason Uyeda
It's not perspective/lens trickery, the ST guys have finally figured out that Ken's car is 7/8ths and have built 6/8ths cars to try and beat him :)

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:09 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Hey! I'm leading!
Too bad the race wasn't 20'. :lol:

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:43 pm
by Craig Naylor
Jason Uyeda wrote:It's not perspective/lens trickery, the ST guys have finally figured out that Ken's car is 7/8ths and have built 6/8ths cars to try and beat him :)
Why would they want to give up 1/8 in motor size for the 1/8 weight reduction/width? I just don't see that helping.

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:14 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
I didn't fit in the 6/8ths scale so I went 13/16th with a 9/8ths motor. Watch out Sunday!

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:54 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Steve Ekstrand wrote:I didn't fit in the 6/8ths scale so I went 13/16th with a 9/8ths motor. Watch out Sunday!
I don't think you can use Whitworth sizes in ST. :lol: But I like the idea of the 9/8ths motor.

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:46 am
by Will Kalman
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
Steve Ekstrand wrote:I didn't fit in the 6/8ths scale so I went 13/16th with a 9/8ths motor. Watch out Sunday!
I don't think you can use Whitworth sizes in ST. :lol: But I like the idea of the 9/8ths motor.
It's a Honda so it would have been 812.5 millicivics in size.

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:17 pm
by Jonathan Lugod
Steve Ekstrand wrote:I didn't fit in the 6/8ths scale so I went 13/16th with a 9/8ths motor. Watch out Sunday!
we've been waiting since you got those 2812's :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:31 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Maybe I should put them on Kenny's car so we can catch up?

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:03 pm
by Mark Duerst
Ken is currently busy writing his best seller - Ken's guide to dominance in ST(S)!

Chapter 1 - alignment is critical !

Chapter 2 - tire pressure is even more critical !!

Chapter 3 - shock settings for dummies (work in progress) !

Chapter 4 - electrical components are your friend !

With a forward by J-Rho & GTo, photos by Jason, and best selling motivational quotes by Leslie.

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:54 am
by Jeff Wong
Jonathan Lugod wrote:we've been waiting since you got those 2812's :lol: :lol: :lol:
hey, we've been waiting since you got those RE-11's ;)Image

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:14 am
by Mako Koiwai
Ken's going to have a Best Seller ... he'll probably sell out locally. :lol:

Re: Explain this photo - R.C. ST Civic?

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:18 am
by Mako Koiwai
Ken's ST How To book would be a Best Seller ... he'd probably sell out locally. :lol:

He REALLY should come out with a Zen and the Art of Racing book ... although it might be VERY short. Perhaps he can use a lot of filler stores about Baby Dolls, etc. :mrgreen: