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In what world does BSP only beat STU by a few tenths and CSP lose to a car on street tires?!

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A world where a "Pro" event is populated by mostly local drivers.

DC Pro sells out in minutes to mostly locals. This is good and bad. There's no law against it, and it's cool they get that local support, but it keeps out many top drivers and gives the results you see.

They put the 135i into D stock?!? Uh oh.

I got the word from the top pax STU guys:

Uphill start that hurt the lower powered cars, mildly slippery surface favored AWD, cars were never off boost.

A very fast BSP Evo driver named John (Marshall knows him), had his car break down, so he codrove in STU for a 5th place PAX finish. He certainly would have been much faster in his BSP car raw time. Plus 7 of the top STU cars were on Dunlops - lemmings. ;)

Part of the lack of grip can be attributed to all the sand Andy Hollis was laying down.

Junior Johnson got beat on his home court.

Curt Luther wrote:A world where a "Pro" event is populated by mostly local drivers.

DC Pro sells out in minutes to mostly locals. This is good and bad. There's no law against it, and it's cool they get that local support, but it keeps out many top drivers and gives the results you see.

The locals are pretty good in FStock and the guys from a far are also not bad:

F Stock Drivers: 13 Trophies: 4
T 1 141 Sam Strano 2007 Ford Mustang Blk Hoosier 30.568 30.569 30.234 30.476 DNF 30.141 59.546
[41] Knoxdale, PA Strano Performance Parts Central Pe 29.954 29.861 30.010 29.748 31.815(1) 29.405 20
T 2 13 Lee Piccione 2007 Ford Mustang Shelb Hoosier RL 30.195 30.712 30.373 30.895 32.703(1) 59.924
[113] Severn, MD Autocrossers Inc. / Than Washington 35.888(3) 29.729 30.220 30.240 30.169 29.988 (0.378) 16
T 3 113 Jason Burns 2007 Ford Shelby Mustan Hoosier 30.768 30.551 30.775 RL 30.603 RL 60.233
[13] Redlion, PA Strano Performance Susquehann 30.008 29.748 30.179 29.978 30.007 29.682 (0.309) 13
T 4 176 Kevin Youngers 2007 Ford Mustang Shelb Hoosier RL 30.190 30.287 30.360 30.639 30.255 60.424
[76] Greeley, CO CR Raacing/Youngers Insi Colorado R RL 30.234 31.702(1) 33.216 32.196(1) 30.435 (0.191) 11
5 123 Ian Stewart Ford Mustang Shelby GT Hoosier 30.752 30.713 31.112 30.692 DNF 31.828(1) 60.458
[23] Orlando, FL Thank you peter! 600hp Central Fl 30.484 30.594 30.116 29.974 29.766 29.978 (0.034) 9

Don

I originally was going to fly out and codrive at the DC Pro and I can tell you that people were staying up the night prereg opened so they could get in - luckily for me it was only 10pm pacific time, but my poor east-coast codrivers were up at 1am - and of course the registration system didn't work. If I remember right, it filled within hours of the SCCA staff fixing the reg system problem

and CSP has traditionally been much stronger on the west coast, so that's not a good gauge!

Protest in BS. Something about Porsche and A/C...

Huh...
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STU? Really?

At the looks of things, there are a lot of AWD vehicles at the top.....indication of slippery/wet conditions on one or more days?

Reijo

I still can't believe they put the 135ci into D Stock. If it stays there, I may have to reconsider getting a Mini Cooper S as my next car.

Reijo Silvennoinen wrote:At the looks of things, there are a lot of AWD vehicles at the top.....indication of slippery/wet conditions on one or more days?

Reijo

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Looks purdy out.

Remember this is the Pro index not the Rick Ruth's RTP.

Sebastian Rios wrote:Remember this is the Pro index not the Rick Ruth's RTP.

Doesn't the ProPax murder STU? Or was that a few years ago and the SCCA over corrected?

Remember this is east coast. It can look pretty in one frame and hurricane in the next.

Jay W

Sebastian Rios wrote:Remember this is the Pro index not the Rick Ruth's RTP.

yeah, STU does even better with Rick's indexs.
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WOW! STU Pax is WAAAAAAY too soft.

Using Rick's numbers Sandman Andy falls to 109....

I'm think there might need to be a little more of a spread between STS and STU these days....

Of course, Rick only thought the non-existent magic tires were coming to STS/STS2...

Just took a look at the results and the times are barely over 60 seconds.....so 30 second courses....which may mean the launch is a more significant part of the course. AWD advantage off the line appears to have been important for a small/short course.

Reijo

SCCA dropped the STU index from the ridiculous .853 during the Tasha era to the softee .822.

.853

Your membership dollars at work.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:SCCA dropped the STU index from the ridiculous .853 during the Tasha era to the softee .822.

.853

Your membership dollars at work.

Soft on the other coast.. hard when you have to run within 1.7 seconds of Tom in his BSP car on street tires. Something Marshall and Christine have enough trouble doing in the same car.

(That's using the rick indexs of .858 and .830)

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:

Steve Ekstrand wrote:SCCA dropped the STU index from the ridiculous .853 during the Tasha era to the softee .822.

.853

Your membership dollars at work.

Soft on the other coast.. hard when you have to run within 1.7 seconds of Tom in his BSP car on street tires. Something Marshall and Christine have enough trouble doing in the same car.

(That's using the rick indexs of .858 and .830)

hey screw you. I was .7 off at the last event thank you very much.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:SCCA dropped the STU index from the ridiculous .853 during the Tasha era to the softee .822.

.853

Your membership dollars at work.

Ah yes I remember Steve and I wrote to the SEB about that oversight when you had a heart attack and the following year RIGHT before the 1st ProSolo, it was corrected by Howard Duncan, and I got an e-mail thanking me for pointing out that "oversight"

Hey at least they fixed it.