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Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:04 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21788.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FIA is investigating allegations that Nelson Piquet Jr. was given team orders to crash, thus bringing out the safety car at time that was advantageous to Alonso.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:05 am
by Steve Ekstrand
Anybody going to hire Nelson Jr??? He can't drive AND he snitches on his teams to get revenge?
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:45 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Anybody going to hire Nelson Jr??? He can't drive AND he snitches on his teams to get revenge?
In a word, No. He showed some talent in the lower rungs of open-wheel racing, but he was slow in practice, couldn't qualify and didn't have any race pace.
At least this debacle won't effect the 2008 Driver's and Constructor's championships.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:51 am
by John Coffey
I'm shocked, shocked to find that team orders are going on in F1!
Captain Renault: Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:40 am
by Steve Ekstrand
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:17 am
by Steve Ekstrand
The "crash"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbMZ7bs7e3o" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:33 am
by Kristoffer Gjevre
more stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIz5ZARvhX8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:35 am
by Kristoffer Gjevre
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/14187/900/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Massa suspicious over Piquet crash last year"
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But reports this week suggest that Brazilian Massa, who drives for Ferrari, immediately suspected that Piquet had been asked to crash on purpose so that the safety car would emerge and the sister Renault of Fernando Alonso win the race.
"He crashed in a very strange way," TV Globo commentator Reginaldo Leme is quoted as saying.
"It struck me when I was talking recently with Felipe Massa. Felipe had gone to Briatore and said, 'This crash was not right, it happened because you wanted it to'."
Leme also said other drivers had been suspicious of the Piquet crash.
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Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:47 am
by B K
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Anybody going to hire Nelson Jr??? He can't drive AND he snitches on his teams to get revenge?
Ferrari cheats, McLaren cheats.....yet there are drivers that will still drive for them.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:38 am
by Bob Beamesderfer
B K wrote:Steve Ekstrand wrote:Anybody going to hire Nelson Jr??? He can't drive AND he snitches on his teams to get revenge?
Ferrari cheats, McLaren cheats.....yet there are drivers that will still drive for them.
I think you're missing the point. Piquet's driving was mediocre at best; now in a fit of revenge he offers "proof" of what some already suspected.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:47 am
by Giovanni Jaramillo
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21788.html
FIA is investigating allegations that Nelson Piquet Jr. was given team orders to crash, thus bringing out the safety car at time that was advantageous to Alonso.
UNF***ING BELIEVABLE! Formula 1 is like junior high school with all this drama! What a joke. :barf:
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:09 pm
by B K
If Piquet had skills....his snitching would be ok?
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:34 pm
by Giovanni Jaramillo
B K wrote:If Piquet had skills....his snitching would be ok?
Unfortunately yes.....look at what his former teammate did before he came to Renault. He snitched BIG time on McLaren to the FIA.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:46 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
If he had skills he wouldn't be snitching, he'd be happily driving for Renault or another team.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:57 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Steve Ekstrand wrote:If he had skills he wouldn't be snitching, he'd be happily driving for Renault or another team.
Also keep in mind that Nelson P. Sr. drove for Flav at Benneton in 1991, although that was Schumi's first year and the old dog retired after that season. So if slighting his son comes off as slighting him, a 3-time F1 champion, this whole mess might be a family affair.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:11 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
World Motorsport Council makes it official, there will be a session to deal with the Singapore allegations.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21790.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Every conspiracy story needs a good headline moniker.
Singapore Sling; OK, but too long
Crashgate; I'm a bit gated out
Piquet's Complaint; OK, longer than Singapore Sling, but it has a literary reference that readers of The Times of London will get.
Feel free to add suggestions!
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:16 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
I really like Piquet's Complaint.
Wrongo Roundo? Has that The Sun ring to it...
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:13 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Steve Ekstrand wrote:I really like Piquet's Complaint.
Wrongo Roundo? Has that The Sun ring to it...
The British tabloids invented the art and still excel at it.
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:09 pm
by Chuck Fowler
didn't Earnhardt Sr spin on purpose once to bring out a yellow when he needed a pit stop?
Flavio's italian, doesn't he know PQ should have had an "accident" after the accident? }:)
F1, WWF on wheels
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:28 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
And it gets uglier:
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21797.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:51 pm
by Julian Manolov
Some further details:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78446" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:56 pm
by Giovanni Jaramillo
Where there's smoke.........there's fire! }:) }:)
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:47 am
by Kristoffer Gjevre
Sep.10 (GMM) Pat Symonds told Nelson Piquet to "be careful" before the allegedly deliberate crash in Singapore last year, and Flavio Briatore said "thank you" to the Brazilian driver after the incident helped Fernando Alonso win the inaugural night race.
The information emerged on Thursday not in the form of unsubstantiated gossip in the Monza paddock, but a formalised statement to the FIA given by the sacked Renault driver Piquet on July 30.
A signed copy of the document was scanned and published by the website F1SA.com.
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Unclear if this was over the pit-to-car radio or not...
If not, then it is just one persons allegations...
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/14274/900/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:57 am
by Kristoffer Gjevre
Nelson Piquet's statement to FIA, an interesting read...
http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=219" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Did Flavio fix the 2008 Singapore GP?
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:56 am
by Julian Manolov
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article. ... 4556&FS=F1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Piquet already has immunity. Now Pat Symonds is offered immunity.
You can guess who will fall next week:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78646" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;