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Looks likely that San Diego will be running Jr Karts at their regional event next year.

Jay W

Who many people had to die to make that happen??? All I ever heard was "over my dead body".

Finally out ranked I believe. I'm not going to go asking questions though, I'm sure it'll be a slight point of contention.

Jay W

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Who many people had to die to make that happen??? All I ever heard was "over my dead body".

Basically the SD Region board told them they must allow Junior karts because the Juniors are full SCCA members and SCCA members cannot be rejected from SCCA events for personal reasons. Initially only 8+ year olds, have to run a successful program for a year to allow 5-7 year olds.

Wow, never thought it would happen in SD. Great news, thanks Jason.

Maybe we can stop our SD region boycott. Of course there are no Fj competitors in the Clements household anymore...

Eric Clements wrote:Maybe we can stop our SD region boycott. Of course there are no Fj competitors in the Clements household anymore...

Its all in the timing huh Eric??

It really is all timing...

I was hoping to convince Eric's son to be first off the line. To show what a well run program can result in.


nalbar

What? San Diego has Jr Karts now?

Cool.

Anthony will be ready in 4 years and 2.5 months. Is the age requirement also 5 yrs for Cal Club?

5 in Cal Club. Robert is 5.

8 in San Diego until they have enough experience to be granted permission to run 5 to 7 kid karts.

Karts aren't allowed in Canada at all - including F125 - similar issues against karts in general.

However a movement is underway as we speak to get FJA/B and F125 running. Mark Sawatsky of Winnipeg is at the forefront of that (he ran a silver Boxster at the SCCA Nationals this year in AS along with his wife, Bridget, and Art Schoeder and his wife Marion). This could be good news for increased numbers in F125 and FJA/FJB at Nationals.

For those interested - moving essentially from west to east. There are some different discussions/responses on each forum:

VCMC (Vancouver):

http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/showthread....7715#post67715" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CSCC (Calgary):

http://cscc.speedracer.ca/forums/ind...cseen.html#new" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SASC (Calgary - I'm a member of this club):

http://sascsolo.ca/forums/index.php?showtopic=417" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SSCC (Saskatoon):

http://forum.ssccracing.org/viewtopic.php?t=5734" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ASA (Edmonton) (pretty quiet for some reason?):

http://www.albertasolo.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WSCC (Winnipeg):

http://forums.wscc.mb.ca/showthread....049#post191049" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's the CASC (Ontario) discussion:

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthr...d=1#post153924" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ARMS (Atlantic):

http://www.armsinc.ca/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8281" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enjoy!

Reijo

Reijo Silvennoinen wrote:Karts aren't allowed in Canada at all - including F125 - similar issues against karts in general.

Seems like the reasoning used in SD that finally got te karts running would work in Canada as well. If kids under 16 are full SCCA members, it's pretty tough to come up with a good argument for why they shouldn't run. It'd be kinda like a region saying they don't like Miatas, so they're not going to allow them.

Yeah....strange thing is that they can go racing wheel-to-wheel but not autox. Which is safer? }:)

R

Reijo Silvennoinen wrote:Yeah....strange thing is that they can go racing wheel-to-wheel but not autox. Which is safer? }:)

R

Safety has never been the real issue ever. Its tossed out there sure, but by people who don't like karts.

I am happy to announce that there is no more 'maybe run in San Diego in 2010' or 'likely to run in San Diego in 2010'. Junior Karts WILL run, starting in Jan. It was made official tonight at our Board Meeting. We have some unhappy people, but SCCA events are SCCA events, and you cannot turn SCCA members away for personal reasons.

Steve Ekstrand wrote: Safety has never been the real issue ever. Its tossed out there sure, but by people who don't like karts.

Safety was NEVER brought up in San Diego as a reason not to allow them. Simply because the safety issues are to easy to refute. What is strange is that the people most likely to oppose karts are those who don't run with them. The more you run with them, the less you care. In my experience, the more you run with them, the less you even notice them.

It's all a crazy, long, boring story.


nalbar

Congrats!

Warren Leach wrote:It's all a crazy, long, boring story.nalbar

Boring but not so long.

Cliff Note version: Argued kid carts would slow down event by being slow, ego reality was an unlicensed pipsqueak could take TTOD away from those who have held it since Adam & Eve.

Again, nice work guys!!!!!

Craig Naylor wrote:

Warren Leach wrote:It's all a crazy, long, boring story.nalbar

Boring but not so long.

Cliff Note version: Argued kid carts would slow down event by being slow, ego reality was an unlicensed pipsqueak could take TTOD away from those who have held it since Adam & Eve.

This is actually a pretty decent summation. Add a little 'what we did in the '70's' and you have it.

Renew your solo card Craig, I have no desire to look at another foraged cancelled check.
http://sdr-scca.com/solo2/docs/SoloRenewal2010.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


nalbar

Warren Leach wrote:

Craig Naylor wrote: those who have held it since Adam & Eve.

Add a little 'what we did in the '70's' and you have it.nalbar

Could be wrong here, but think Adam & Eve predated the '70's... unless you were thinking more of Adam and Steve...thats become more prevalent since.

Warren Leach wrote:I have no desire to look at another foraged cancelled check.

I have no desire to have to find one... but I have a few months, plus SCAT has typically paid for SCAT members, some reason I get left off of the list.

How come you guys don't post anything about this on the San Diego website?

Warren Leach wrote:

Craig Naylor wrote:
Cliff Note version: Argued kid carts would slow down event by being slow, ego reality was an unlicensed pipsqueak could take TTOD away from those who have held it since Adam & Eve.

This is actually a pretty decent summation. Add a little 'what we did in the '70's' and you have it.

nalbar

Um, so Warren, you agree that the concept that a Jr. kart might take TTOD away from somebody is a decent summation?
......just curious

Gary Thomason wrote:

Warren Leach wrote:

Craig Naylor wrote:
Cliff Note version: Argued kid carts would slow down event by being slow, ego reality was an unlicensed pipsqueak could take TTOD away from those who have held it since Adam & Eve.

This is actually a pretty decent summation. Add a little 'what we did in the '70's' and you have it.

nalbar

Um, so Warren, you agree that the concept that a Jr. kart might take TTOD away from somebody is a decent summation?
......just curious

Neither the spoken objection, or the fear are true. But they are the reality of the years of objections at the board meetings.

It is what it is. Did everyone object, no. But enough did that the inclusion was never made till now.

Mark Duerst wrote:How come you guys don't post anything about this on the San Diego website?

One, because I have no 1st hand info on the approval. Two, 'cause I don't go there but once a month or so anymore, and mostly observe.

Solved.