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How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:27 pm
by Christos Adam
Hey guys
I'm trying to get a wing and a splitter and realize that it might be challenging (due to the odd shape of the front bumper) to calculate the splitter's surface.
After scratching my head the only solutions that I came up is
1) applying a paper with square pattern over the splitter and counting the number of squares :barf:
2) Taking a picture along with something that will represent the scale and then run a s/w that will calculate the surface.
For the 2 solution I don't have any s/w for that so if you already have a good experience with something let me know...
Re: How do you measure the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:17 pm
by Marshall Grice
why are you trying to calculate the splitter surface area? the only limitation is that it can't stick out more than 6" from the bumper.
"M. Front splitters are allowed and shall be installed parallel to the
ground (within +/-3 degrees fore to aft) and may extend a maximum
of 6 inches from the front bodywork/fascia as viewed from
above"
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you should read the whole thing, but the short story is "B" is the correct answer.
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:31 pm
by Christos Adam
Thanks Marshall, I though that the total surface area of the rear wing and the front splitter shouldn't exceed 8 sq feet.
If I get the wing that I'm thinking I'll only have 147 sq inches left for the splitter... which probably is not enough.
So I was thinking of making the splitter first and then see what kind of wing I'm allowed use...
Re: How do you measure the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:37 pm
by Richard Jung
Marshall Grice wrote:why are you trying to calculate the splitter surface area? the only limitation is that it can't stick out more than 6" from the bumper.
"M. Front splitters are allowed and shall be installed parallel to the
ground (within +/-3 degrees fore to aft) and may extend a maximum
of 6 inches from the front bodywork/fascia as viewed from
above"
http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/284402.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
you should read the whole thing, but the short story is "B" is the correct answer.
Because Chris wants to find out how much splitter area allowance he has left from the 8 sq ft max SSM rule, after subtracting for a big wing.
I just lay it out in CAD, and let it calculate the surface area.
Rick
Edit: Chris posted while I was responding.
Send me a pic with a dimension, and I can draw over in CAD to get the 2d area.
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:40 pm
by Christine Grice
But isn't the rule:
L. Aerodynamic Aids: Wings may be added, removed, or modified. Non-OE wings may only be attached to the rear deck/hatch area behind the centerline of the rear axle. The total combined surface area of all wings shall not exceed 8 square feet as calculated per Section 12.9. The number of wing elements is limited to 2.
...
M. Front splitters are allowed and shall be installed parallel to the ground (within +/-3 degrees fore to aft) and may extend a maximum of 6 inches from the front bodywork/fascia as viewed from above. Splitters may not extend rearward past the centerline of the front wheels. No portion of the splitter may extend beyond the widest part of the front bumper/fascia as viewed from above.
Which to me indicates that the splitter is not part of the 8 sq. ft. calculation...
ST classes on the other hand are required to include splitters into their 5 sq ft calculation.
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:49 pm
by Marshall Grice
yeah...what rules are you guys reading. for SM/SSM it's 8sqft of wing plus 6" of splitter. the end.
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:52 pm
by Christine Grice
Marshall Grice wrote:yeah...what rules are you guys reading. for SM/SSM it's 8sqft of wing plus 6" of splitter. the end.
Imagine a 8 Sqft wing on the back of a miata...

Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:56 pm
by Christos Adam
Marshall Grice wrote:yeah...what rules are you guys reading. for SM/SSM it's 8sqft of wing plus 6" of splitter. the end.
Is this really confirmed?
I would not assume that just by readying the rules (as Christina quoted)... but granted that I don't have experience interpreting the rules while you guys do...
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:59 pm
by Christos Adam
Christine Berry wrote:Marshall Grice wrote:yeah...what rules are you guys reading. for SM/SSM it's 8sqft of wing plus 6" of splitter. the end.
Imagine a 8 Sqft wing on the back of a miata...

No need to imagine

Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:01 pm
by Christine Grice
Christos Adam wrote:Marshall Grice wrote:yeah...what rules are you guys reading. for SM/SSM it's 8sqft of wing plus 6" of splitter. the end.
Is this really confirmed?
I would not assume that just by readying the quoted text above... but granted that I don't have experience interpreting the rules while you guys do...
Go to the rule book yourself. page 103, section 16.1.L and 16.1.M
L. Aerodynamic Aids: Wings may be added, removed, or modified.
Non-OE wings may only be attached to the rear deck/hatch area
behind the centerline of the rear axle. The total combined surface
area of all wings shall not exceed 8 square feet as calculated
per Section 12.9. The number of wing elements is limited to 2.
Wings, and any component thereof, may not extend beyond the
vehicle width, as defined by the outermost portion of the vehicle
doors, less mirrors, door handles, rub strips, and trim. In addition,
no portion of the wing or its components may be more than
6" forward of the rear axle, more than 0" beyond the rear most
portion of the bodywork, or more than 6" above the roofline of
the vehicle, regardless of body style. For convertibles and roadsters,
the highest portion of the windshield frame will be considered
the highest portion of the roof.
Reinforcements to the wing mounting area may be used, but
may serve no other purpose. Body panels to which a wing
mounts must remain functional (e.g. trunk lids and rear hatches
must open). Wing endplate surface area is limited to 200 square
inches each and limited to a maximum of two.
M. Front splitters are allowed and shall be installed parallel to the
ground (within +/-3 degrees fore to aft) and may extend a maximum
of 6 inches from the front bodywork/fascia as viewed from
above. Splitters may not extend rearward past the centerline of
the front wheels. No portion of the splitter may extend beyond
the widest part of the front bumper/fascia as viewed from above.
Compare with the wording of the ST section 14.2.F
F. Addition of spoilers, splitters, body kits, rear wings and nonfunctional
scoops/vents is allowed. The intent of this allowance
is to accommodate commonly available appearance kits, and
replicas thereof, which have no significant aerodynamic function
at Solo speeds. Body kits are limited to bumper covers,
valances, side skirts, and fender flares. Standard parts may not
be removed except for the substitution of spoilers, rear wings,
bumper covers and valances. Rear wings must attach only aft of
the rear wheel centerline.
The allowances regarding wings and spoilers only allow swapping
like for like if the original device was not an OE option as
configured by the factory, i.e. a spoiler for a spoiler or a wing for
a wing. If a vehicle is available without a wing or spoiler from
the manufacturer then either can be installed.
Surface area of all splitters, spoilers and rear wing (see 12.9)
shall not exceed 5 square feet in sum total. Substitution of rear
spoilers or wings must retain any original third brake light functionality
unless otherwise equipped. No underbody panels may
be added or substituted. The drilling of holes for the purpose of
mounting these pieces is permitted.
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:09 pm
by Jason Isley BS RX8
Christos Adam wrote:
Is this really confirmed?
I would not assume that just by readying the rules (as Christina quoted)... but granted that I don't have experience interpreting the rules while you guys do...
The rules are never confirmed. They are just placed in book for fun.

Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:18 pm
by Richard Jung
Compare with the wording of the ST section 14.2.F
F. Addition of spoilers, splitters, body kits, rear wings and nonfunctional
scoops/vents is allowed. ... Body kits are limited to bumper covers,
valances, side skirts, and fender flares. Standard parts may not
be removed except for the substitution of spoilers, rear wings,
bumper covers and valances...
Surface area of all splitters, spoilers and rear wing (see 12.9)
shall not exceed 5 square feet in sum total.
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Unless Hollis get his way.

Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:19 pm
by Christos Adam
Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:Christos Adam wrote:
Is this really confirmed?
I would not assume that just by readying the rules (as Christina quoted)... but granted that I don't have experience interpreting the rules while you guys do...
The rules are never confirmed. They are just placed in book for fun.

yeah yeah yeah
The point is that the N1 advice that I always hear is that If the rule book doesn't say something clearly don't assume... that's why I'm asking if the assumption is valid... since I didn't read anywhere that the wing area doesn't include the splitter.
Anyway the point is that if all the experienced autocrossers say that it's fine most probably would be fine... it's also easier for me not to have to calculate the surface of the splitter ... so it's all good :king:
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:13 pm
by Marshall Grice
Christos Adam wrote:
The point is that the N1 advice that I always hear is that If the rule book doesn't say something clearly don't assume... that's why I'm asking if the assumption is valid... since I didn't read anywhere that the wing area doesn't include the splitter.

haha. yeah, but the rule book doesn't say that the 8sq ft *does* include the splitter area...so you're assuming that it did. clearly there is a completely different section that deals with splitters with their own area limitations, separate from rear wing area.
so yeah, you're good.
Re: How do you calculate the splitter's suraface?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:23 pm
by Mike Simanyi
I suggest you check those rules again Chris. They're quite clear about defining what a wing is (see page 266), and the SM rules are quite clear regarding the area allowed for the wing.
The SM rules are also quite clear on the splitter allowance.
And yes, Marshall is correct...
Mike