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A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:17 pm
by Rick Brown
http://autos.yahoo.com/auto-shows/genev ... er-Concept" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:25 pm
by Robert Puertas
This one looks ok too...

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/24877 ... ybrid.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:37 pm
by Rick Brown
Robert Puertas wrote:This one looks ok too...

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/24877 ... ybrid.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nice. I like that method better, where the engine only provides electricity and all drive is from electric motors.

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:29 pm
by Kurt Rahn
I love the race mode on the Porsche, which sounds like it acts similar to the F1 KERS system from last year.

But I agree: I love the idea of a gas engine powering the batteries only. And I love the Evora :heyes: :heyes:

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:08 pm
by Leonard Cachola
I'll take one of each, please. :D

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:33 am
by Q V
YUMMY!

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:18 am
by Jayson Woodruff
Note I didn't read the article.

The down side of this method is your energy conversion losses. Chemical to Mechanical to Electrical driving the motor, or worse yet (by at least 10%) Chemical to Mechanical to Electrical to ElectroChemical (battery) to back to Electrical. In a parallel drive method you can cut out at least some of the Mechanical to Electrical conversion.

But then on the otherside the engine can be tuned to be super efficent in a very narrow output range, since it doesn't have to move a car from 1% to 100% effort from 1mph to 100mph. So the above losses might be offset by this gain. If I remeber right a helcopter company got 400+ STEADY STATE HP (not peak) out of an STi engine doing this.

Although when your talking steady state efficency, there's more effective fuels and inductions to do it with.

Jay W
Rick Brown wrote:Nice. I like that method better, where the engine only provides electricity and all drive is from electric motors.

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:43 am
by Marshall Grice
Jayson Woodruff wrote: But then on the otherside the engine can be tuned to be super efficent in a very narrow output range, since it doesn't have to move a car from 1% to 100% effort from 1mph to 100mph. So the above losses might be offset by this gain. If I remeber right a helcopter company got 400+ STEADY STATE HP (not peak) out of an STi engine doing this.

Although when your talking steady state efficency, there's more effective fuels and inductions to do it with.

Jay W
that same 'helicopter company' also ditched the sti motors and went to one of those more efficent engines (aka a turbine).

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:51 am
by Marshall Grice
http://www.microturbine.com/_docs/CMT38 ... percar.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

also a nice proper looking hybrid.

Re: A Proper Hybrid

Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:33 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Marshall Grice wrote:http://www.microturbine.com/_docs/CMT38 ... percar.pdf

also a nice proper looking hybrid.
Sweet. User Power stationary mode is an interesting concept, especially for boy scouts and the paranoid.