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The ORIGINAL King of Fastrack is back! So all you Johnny come-latelys, hanger-ons, punks, wannabees, newbies...please step off, stay-in-your lane.

I'm back! Wake-up Marshall....that Seattle weather is "slowing" you down

Fastrack News (Solo section) - April, 2010

EDIT: This should be interesting:

Move from BSP to CSP: BMW M Coupe and Roadster, BMW Z3, Datsun/Nissan Z cars, Honda S2000, Mazda RX8

I've been check the damn website every 30mins all day, and i go to lunch and it comes out. JERKS!

Marshall Grice wrote:I've been check the damn website every 30mins all day, and i go to lunch and it comes out. JERKS!

My trick...was not just checking the website but I had the URL for the Solo PDF file already in my browser. But since it wasn't updated, all it said was "HTTP 404 error - file not found". I kept on refreshing that tab on the browser every 5-10mins Then all of sudden on 1 refresh...viola....the PDF came up.

So if Aaron can update my title from Executive Board member to King of Fastrack, that'd be great

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote:I've been check the damn website every 30mins all day, and i go to lunch and it comes out. JERKS!

My trick...was not just checking the website but I had the URL for the Solo PDF file already in my browser. But since it wasn't updated, all it said was "HTTP 404 error - file not found". I kept on refreshing that tab on the browser every 5-10mins Then all of sudden on 1 refresh...viola....the PDF came up.

So if Aaron can update my title from Executive Board member to King of Fastrack, that'd be great

what you think you're special? that's exactly what i was doing.

i even had a new post created waiting to hit submit on....doesn't do any good when i'm at lunch

Marshall Grice wrote:what you think you're special?

Yes actually I do...but that's besides the point! :gpower: :gpower:

Marshall Grice wrote: i even had a new post created waiting to hit submit on....doesn't do any good when i'm at lunch

Damn I was doing the same thing too. Had a post created in Notepad window ready to pounce. Yeah last month I wanted to get back into the game. Went to lunch at 12:30pm and nothing. Came back at 1:30pm and Tom Denham posted.

Marshall Grice wrote: what you think you're special? that's exactly what i was doing.

i even had a new post created waiting to hit submit on....

I think that makes you both "special".

As in ride the little bus to school and lick the windows, special...

Robert Puertas wrote:

Marshall Grice wrote: what you think you're special? that's exactly what i was doing.

i even had a new post created waiting to hit submit on....

I think that makes you both "special".

As in ride the little bus to school and lick the windows, special...

Huh, two local debates addressed in one frastrack.


Hey Jason U, would you bring the S2000 back out for CSP?

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:Huh, two local debates addressed in one frastrack.


Hey Jason U, would you bring the S2000 back out for CSP?

Uyeda's monster CSP Honda S-2000
vs.
Schenker's beast CSP Mazda Miata

A battle Royale!

I told Bill he should have sold that car last year...

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:Huh, two local debates addressed in one frastrack.


Hey Jason U, would you bring the S2000 back out for CSP?

Wow, I totally forgot about that S2K. I'm interested to hear what you guys (Schenker and Uyeda) think.

Sebastian Rios wrote:

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:Huh, two local debates addressed in one frastrack.


Hey Jason U, would you bring the S2000 back out for CSP?

Wow, I totally forgot about that S2K. I'm interested to hear what you guys (Schenker and Uyeda) think.

I think the Miata's would still be better most of the time. Would have a legit shot at a Pro tho, where currently it's a waste of time...

Jason Uyeda wrote:I think the Miata's would still be better most of the time. Would have a legit shot at a Pro tho, where currently it's a waste of time..

Since I know you could run in any SP class you like, I'll believe that is a pretty unbiased answer.
I'm surprised though, to this outsider it seems like they would have to put all the Miatas on the same line for them to have enough power and still retain it's advantage of a smaller footprint.

Sebastian Rios wrote:

Jason Uyeda wrote:I think the Miata's would still be better most of the time. Would have a legit shot at a Pro tho, where currently it's a waste of time..

Since I know you could run in any SP class you like, I'll believe that is a pretty unbiased answer.
I'm surprised though, to this outsider it seems like they would have to put all the Miatas on the same line for them to have enough power and still retain it's advantage of a smaller footprint.

The Miata's have better low-end (for given weight and gearing) and should out-accelerate the S2k to 37ish, if not low to mid 40's (this compared to an S2K geared only to 62ish which is a disadvantage). Plus they're running almost as much tire and are at a min 500lbs lighter for the NA/B's...

It's maybe close enough to try... And I'll probably write a letter in support, though mostly because I wouldn't be hosed at Pro's and when conditions aren't great... I don't see why they shouldn't consider moving the C4's and E36's down either...

If these cars get moved to CSP it would make for a very interesting class. Fun to watch.

As far as speculating which car would be best, I would hope that the Miata is the car to have but If I had more money I would be buying an S2000. The Miata has 500 less lbs, 80 hp less, 35 less lb-ft, 1.5" smaller OD tires and 10-30 mm narrower tires. It seems to me that vehicle width in SP trim is similar with the Miata probably narrower. Cornering grip probably favors the Miata by a very small margin. The Miata gets to about 64 mph in second but it has effectively a longer second gear which hurts torque multiplication.

The good thing is that the Miata deals very well with any bumpy surface regardless of the spring rates. The secret is that it flexes about 10 times more than the S2000 which makes spring choices almost irrelevant once you are past 650s on the front.

George

PS What cars would stay in BSP? Just the Evos?

George Doganis wrote: PS What cars would stay in BSP? Just the Evos?

sky-tice, C4, supra, e46 m3's


i also think the s2k would be very interesting in CSP but with the miata still coming out on top most times.

Plus, they want to move the following cars from ASP to BSP:

Mazda RX7 (’93-’95), Porsche 911 non-turbo, Porsche 911 Club Sport, Porsche Carrera 2/4,
Porsche 914/6, Porsche 924 turbo and n/a, Porsche 944 turbo and n/a, Porsche 968

Although it seems to me the n/a front engine porsches are a better fit with the rest of the CSP crowd... even the 914/6 seems more like a CSP car...

Marshall Grice wrote:

George Doganis wrote: PS What cars would stay in BSP? Just the Evos?

sky-tice, C4, supra, e46 m3's

Sounds like the E36 M3 stays there too.

Robert Puertas wrote:Although it seems to me the n/a front engine porsches are a better fit with the rest of the CSP crowd... even the 914/6 seems more like a CSP car...

I think the 914 4cyc and 914-6 got split up a few years back, which would make SP trimmed 914-6's much, much rarer (you can't drop a 6 into a 914 4cyc anymore). It's probably appropriate not to make a rare care all that competitive.

Jay W

George Doganis wrote:If these cars get moved to CSP it would make for a very interesting class. Fun to watch.

PS What cars would stay in BSP? Just the Evos?

Mazdaspeed Miatas

Mike Simanyi wrote: Sounds like the E36 M3 stays there too.

That would be an SEB change. The SPAC had many more changes on our list to go out for for member comment...

Eric Clements wrote:

Mike Simanyi wrote: Sounds like the E36 M3 stays there too.

That would be an SEB change. The SPAC had many more changes on our list to go out for for member comment...

I'm gonna write in support of moving the E36 as well, others should too.....