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July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:27 am
by Jason Isley BS RX8
Full http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/ ... k-july.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Solo http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/ ... y-solo.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:35 am
by Sebastian Rios
Man, that's a lot to digest! I applaud the committees' hard work.

My $.02

Mini JCW to DS: I dunno, sure seems like if the regular Minis weren't on the way out, they are now for sure.

ST*: Awsome! I can't wait to get rid of my rear drum brakes, and get a new cat 6" further downstream.
STF? Hmmm we'll see if anyone makes a serious effort, I have a feeling it will be the car with the most aftermarket support wins until people start going nuts with custom stuff (after a jacket and contingency is on the line).

SP: Who needs a co-driver in their 997? Have trailer, will travel. ;)

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:10 am
by Robert Puertas
SM solid axle weight break?

Cool! My RX3 with the Cosworth duratec only has to weigh 1750 now...

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:14 am
by Greg Peng
2.5l 06-08 WRX in STX? Anyone still driving one? 8-)

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:12 pm
by Kurt Rahn
FasTrack wrote:Move from CS to DS (2487, 4744):
Mini Cooper S JCW (2006-’11)
Mini Clubman S JCW (2009-’11)
They'll definitely be getting a letter from me on this one. Can't imagine I'll be the only one. Seems pretty ludicrous if it's better suspended, has more power and has always run in a higher class than the regular Cooper S. What's next, throw the Justa Cooper in DS as well?

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:26 pm
by Steve Lepper
Are the newer JCW's factory-built? I know the first-gen cars were a dealer-installed kit.

Oh, and Elva Courier in SSP? Knife to a gunfight, anyone?

I see that now the rest of ST classes get to enjoy swapping out our exhaust every two years. At least now I can build a better header.

They now need to remove 14.10.F.6, since they've thrown emission compliance out the window.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:45 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Steve Lepper wrote:Are the newer JCW's factory-built? I know the first-gen cars were a dealer-installed kit.
Yes. But so are the BMW M series, the Audi S series, the AMG Mercedes, etc. They're all tuner cars, and IMO they shouldn't be allowed to compete against the "regular" cars whose performance they were designed and built to exceed in every facet.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:13 pm
by David Barrish
I must resist any reference to the words Historic and Vintage.

I Must!

Why bother, it only ends up a "forest and tree" conversation.

I would like to see a Tesla vs Elan. :thumbup:


David Barrish



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Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:19 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Greg Peng wrote:2.5l 06-08 WRX in STX? Anyone still driving one? 8-)
I would take an '06 "TR" for STX, I still think it needs more wheel though, even if handicapped by 245 section width tires. Although I think the later GD chassis 2.5l cars got a marginally stronger trans, I think one would still have to save pennies for transmission(s) and hoard stock rear diffs.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:22 pm
by Jayson Woodruff
Steve Lepper wrote:Are the newer JCW's factory-built? I know the first-gen cars were a dealer-installed kit.
If memory serves only the first year was a trunk kit, other's were 'factory'. shrug.

Jay W

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:17 pm
by Michael Wood
ASP
Ferrari
250 (non-LM)

So, I can run my 250GTO, but my mid engine car's a no go? Doesn't seem fair, somehow... :P


Seriously...getting rid of the no CEL bit in ST* is opening the proverbial Pandora's Box, if you ask me...not that anyone asked me...

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:18 pm
by Robert Puertas
Michael Wood wrote:ASP
Ferrari
250 (non-LM)

So, I can run my 250GTO, but my mid engine car's a no go? Doesn't seem fair, somehow...
How insane would you have to be to autocross a 250LM?
Clearly a 250 SWB alloy coupe would be the far superior autocross car.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:22 pm
by Doug Teulie
Kurt Ra wrote:
FasTrack wrote:Move from CS to DS (2487, 4744):
Mini Cooper S JCW (2006-’11)
Mini Clubman S JCW (2009-’11)
They'll definitely be getting a letter from me on this one. Can't imagine I'll be the only one. Seems pretty ludicrous if it's better suspended, has more power and has always run in a higher class than the regular Cooper S. What's next, throw the Justa Cooper in DS as well?
We test drove a 2011 Mini and the first thing the sales man told us (we did not say a word about Auto-X) was how the Mini S is so perfectly classed for SCCA National and Pro Solo competition. Good thing that all the new car buyers at the Mini dealership check FastTrack before spending money on a car that was well classed.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:07 am
by Craig Naylor
Looking for input from someone who understands the Fastrack Lingo.
GENERAL
- The SEB has reviewed the following items, and thanks these members for their input:
- Sound policy feedback (4561, 4567, 4918)
My letter was #4561. I wrote in regarding the sound proposal of a few months ago, as did at least two other people based upon this line. But there was no mention of the sound proposal anywhere else in the Fastrack.

So does this mean, it's being implemented as previously listed (my letter raised issue with wording, and intent), or that the proposal has been retracted... or, or, or???

Such a vague response based upon the subject not being addressed in any manor later in the document.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:40 am
by Marshall Grice
Craig Naylor wrote:Looking for input from someone who understands the Fastrack Lingo.
GENERAL
- The SEB has reviewed the following items, and thanks these members for their input:
- Sound policy feedback (4561, 4567, 4918)
My letter was #4561. I wrote in regarding the sound proposal of a few months ago, as did at least two other people based upon this line. But there was no mention of the sound proposal anywhere else in the Fastrack.

So does this mean, it's being implemented as previously listed (my letter raised issue with wording, and intent), or that the proposal has been retracted... or, or, or???

Such a vague response based upon the subject not being addressed in any manor later in the document.
it means "thanks we looked at it and are ignoring it"

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:49 am
by Craig Naylor
Marshall Grice wrote:it means "thanks we looked at it and are ignoring it"
That's what I thought. I was hoping that it meant something more like, we haven't included an update in this fastrack because the responders had such useful input we went back to the drawing board.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:08 am
by Sebastian Rios
Michael Wood wrote:

Seriously...getting rid of the no CEL bit in ST* is opening the proverbial Pandora's Box, if you ask me...not that anyone asked me...
I think Pandora's box was opened when catalytic converters were allowed to be consolidated and/or removed, and ECU modifications were made legal. The no CEL rule was a lame attempt to close Pandora's box, or put the genie back in the bottle, or close the barn door after the horse has bolted, or (insert favorite idiom here).

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:52 am
by Giovanni Jaramillo
Sebastian Rios wrote:(insert favorite idiom here).
"Unring the bell that has already rung" :)

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:46 pm
by Richard Jung
Sebastian Rios wrote:
Michael Wood wrote:

Seriously...getting rid of the no CEL bit in ST* is opening the proverbial Pandora's Box, if you ask me...not that anyone asked me...
I think Pandora's box was opened when catalytic converters were allowed to be consolidated and/or removed, and ECU modifications were made legal. The no CEL rule was a lame attempt to close Pandora's box, or put the genie back in the bottle, or close the barn door after the horse has bolted, or (insert favorite idiom here).
"Get yer high-flow race cats here!..." :thumbup:

Rick

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:51 pm
by Jason Isley BS RX8
Richard Jung wrote: "Get yer high-flow race cats here!..." :thumbup:

Rick
And "non-functional" aero bits.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:56 pm
by Richard Jung
Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:
Richard Jung wrote: "Get yer high-flow race cats here!..." :thumbup:

Rick
And "non-functional" aero bits.
;) - ;)

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:03 pm
by Sebastian Rios
Richard Jung wrote:
"Get yer high-flow race cats here!..." :thumbup:

Rick
Why is it that I never use the things I hoard, and never hoard the things I use? Man, I wish I never sold that nice high flow cat I got from you.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:19 pm
by Richard Jung
Sebastian Rios wrote:
Richard Jung wrote:
"Get yer high-flow race cats here!..." :thumbup:

Rick
Why is it that I never use the things I hoard, and never hoard the things I use? Man, I wish I never sold that nice high flow cat I got from you.
I have more in stock, still popular with the STX/STU crowd. Will 2.5" I/O dia work for ST/STS?

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:54 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Doug Teulie wrote:
Kurt Ra wrote:
FasTrack wrote:Move from CS to DS (2487, 4744):
Mini Cooper S JCW (2006-’11)
Mini Clubman S JCW (2009-’11)
They'll definitely be getting a letter from me on this one. Can't imagine I'll be the only one. Seems pretty ludicrous if it's better suspended, has more power and has always run in a higher class than the regular Cooper S. What's next, throw the Justa Cooper in DS as well?
We test drove a 2011 Mini and the first thing the sales man told us (we did not say a word about Auto-X) was how the Mini S is so perfectly classed for SCCA National and Pro Solo competition. Good thing that all the new car buyers at the Mini dealership check FastTrack before spending money on a car that was well classed.
Letter sent. Letter #5298. Let's see how/if they respond.

Re: July Fastrack

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:51 am
by Michael Wood
One thing to point out on letters, they are all read and discussed at the committee level.

Don't interpret the line item in Fastrack as purely a "duly noted" kind of response...

On the Mini JCW, write your letters.