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Steve Ekstrand wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventio ... 622&page=1

Just try to take a typical tourist photo of Library Tower in downtown LA from the public sidewalk. Private security will swarm you, quote some non-existent part of the Patriot Act and bring in LAPD to back up their non-existent police powers. It's BS.

I ran into this while i was trying to take pictures of the Transformers 2 filming.

The hired guard gave me the same deal, that the building owners don't want pictures taken because they don't know if I'm a terrorist.

I pointed out that I'm standing on public property (sidewalk), and that I'm going to proceed taking pictures, and if they have a problem with that, they can call the cops over who are directing the blockade, and have them tell me which law, or municipal code, prohibits me from taking pictures. They mumbled something and left.

I did voluntarily talk to the cops about it, and they confirmed that no one can stop me from taking pictures, but they could technically throw me off their private property if they wanted to (though i own a membership at the gym, which is part of the property).

I think what it boils down to is that no one can stop a person from taking pictures. They can only make things annoying for you. That's what the guys on the set were threatening me with. If i didn't go away with my tripod & camera, they'd stick a set member on me with a board in hand, and just stand in front of my camera all night.

Its even worse. Try being a man and taking pictures of your kids playing on the beach in Newport Beach. While there with a friend's family earlier this year, he was questioned by the NBPD and asked to show the photos on his digital camera to the cops. Seems the local Range Rover soccer moms though he was a child molester. Why else would a man want to take pictures of his children at the beach? The soccer moms in question were so upset that my friend didn't get arrested that they packed up their blankets and kids and went back into their beach house - then took pictures of us through their front window.

was he using this?



if so, i can kinda see why they'd be freaked out..

Jeff Shyu wrote:was he using this?



if so, i can kinda see why they'd be freaked out..

600 f4?

John Coffey wrote:Its even worse. Try being a man and taking pictures of your kids playing on the beach in Newport Beach. While there with a friend's family earlier this year, he was questioned by the NBPD and asked to show the photos on his digital camera to the cops. Seems the local Range Rover soccer moms though he was a child molester. Why else would a man want to take pictures of his children at the beach? The soccer moms in question were so upset that my friend didn't get arrested that they packed up their blankets and kids and went back into their beach house - then took pictures of us through their front window.

You should have turned the camera back on the soccer moms. After all, it is legal to photograph anything you can see as long as you're standing on public property. Might as well make them more paranoid.

And I'm pretty certain cops don't have any right to look at the photos in his camera.

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:After all, it is legal to photograph anything you can see as long as you're standing on public property. Might as well make them more paranoid.

And I'm pretty certain cops don't have any right to look at the photos in his camera.

not sure if that's true. pretty sure you can't go to a public beach, and start taking close up of girls in bikini.

William Chen wrote:
not sure if that's true. pretty sure you can't go to a public beach, and start taking close up of girls in bikini.

William - your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to try just that. Afterwards, please post pics of either your arrest, or girls in bikinis. Thx.

i'm pretty sure you can. the people have the right to cover up.

i'd imagine the only time it becomes an issue, is if the pictures you took, took on a commercial use somehow, and generating revenue. Then the person has a right to a part of that.

the point is, no one forced the girls in bikini to be on the beach, jumping around in their bikinis.. they could have stopped and put on more clothes at any given time.

Some photos taken in Washington D.C. of an R2D2 mailbox and a cell tower.

http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

An article on the Right to photograph in public.

Jeff Shyu wrote:I ran into this while i was trying to take pictures of the Transformers 2 filming.

So where are the pictures? :gpower:

Greg Peng wrote:

Jeff Shyu wrote:I ran into this while i was trying to take pictures of the Transformers 2 filming.

So where are the pictures? :gpower:

i posted them to "the" OT thread.. i guess it got overlooked

clicky

William Chen wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:After all, it is legal to photograph anything you can see as long as you're standing on public property. Might as well make them more paranoid.

And I'm pretty certain cops don't have any right to look at the photos in his camera.

not sure if that's true. pretty sure you can't go to a public beach, and start taking close up of girls in bikini.

No, William, I'm very familiar with the law. I was a professional news photographer before switching to reporting.

Using photos of recognizable people, ie their face is in the photo, for commercial purposes requires a model release.

Jeff Shyu wrote:

Greg Peng wrote:

Jeff Shyu wrote:I ran into this while i was trying to take pictures of the Transformers 2 filming.

So where are the pictures? :gpower:

i posted them to "the" OT thread.. i guess it got overlooked

clicky

Ah, that's one of the few threads I avoid.

The problem in this case, and many others, is that the sidewalk is not always public property. (Ask me how I know.) In many cities, like Las Vegas, the sidewalks are owned by the property owners in downtown areas and only the street itself is public. ABC got caught. Just as "main streets" have been replaced with shopping malls, public space is being eliminated everywhere. It's one of those freedoms that are being slowly sucked away from us. Like the frog in the pot of water on the stove with the slowly rising heat, we will wake up one morning with no freedom at all. And like the frog in the water, if they take our freedoms slowly enough, we won't notice them missing until they are all gone.

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:

William Chen wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:After all, it is legal to photograph anything you can see as long as you're standing on public property. Might as well make them more paranoid.

And I'm pretty certain cops don't have any right to look at the photos in his camera.

not sure if that's true. pretty sure you can't go to a public beach, and start taking close up of girls in bikini.

No, William, I'm very familiar with the law. I was a professional news photographer before switching to reporting.

Using photos of recognizable people, ie their face is in the photo, for commercial purposes requires a model release.

What about the poparazzi taking pictures of Britney and Paris with no panties getting out of cars?

Do they get a model release for that? I doubt it and they sell those pictures for thousands of dollars.

What about the FBI climbing into the trees at Saticoy CC to take long lens pictures of my mom's wedding without the permission of the club?

Thomas Barrett wrote:

Bob Beamesderfer wrote:ng.

Using photos of recognizable people, ie their face is in the photo, for commercial purposes requires a model release.

What about the poparazzi taking pictures of Britney and Paris with no panties getting out of cars?

Do they get a model release for that? I doubt it and they sell those pictures for thousands of dollars.

They're public figures and the photos are for editorial not commercial use. By "recognizable" the rule means that someone could recognize them, not that they're famous.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:What about the FBI climbing into the trees at Saticoy CC to take long lens pictures of my mom's wedding without the permission of the club?

Steve, you know the FBI doesn't concern itself with petty matters such as privacy or civil rights. cough WACO cough.

We thought it was pretty funny. My mom kept sending a waiter out with champagne and food for them. They kept refusing.

The really funny part was my mom convincing all the goons from Chicago into Hawaiian shirts for the luau. Now all those guys have picsin the OC files in Tommy Bahama wear.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:We thought it was pretty funny. My mom kept sending a waiter out with champagne and food for them. They kept refusing.

The really funny part was my mom convincing all the goons from Chicago into Hawaiian shirts for the luau. Now all those guys have picsin the OC files in Tommy Bahama wear.

What year was this?