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Just a reminder about the changes for 2015, Nationally and locally.

No more combined Street classes (S1, S2, S3), all SCCA National Street classes are offered individually, i.e., SS AS BS CS DS ES FS GS HS which must run on 200+ treadwear tires and SSR, Super Stock cars on R-Tires. No more STC, check the National Rules to see where the ST cars all go now. B Prepared is gone. We will continue to combine all Street Prepared, Modified and Prepared into indexed classes.

There are now 3 Classic American Muscle classes:
CAM-T =Traditional CAM cars 1954-72, 108” wheelbase, 3000lbs minimum
CAM-C= Contemporary CAM cars 1978 and newer, 100” wheelbase, 3000lbs minimum
CAM-S= Sports CAM cars 2 seats, 90” wheelbase, 2600lbs minimum

Please note when registering online and selecting your class, there are two drop down menus CLASS and PAX. Select the local class you wish to run in first, including indexed classes denoted by (Indexed) after the class name. These include PAX, HST1, HST2, SP, M, P, NOV, and TO. If the class you chose indicated indexed, then you must also choose the correct base class from the PAX menu. Do not select anything in the PAX menu unless you have chosen an indexed class. There are always several people who insist on selecting the same class in both, such and CST and CST.

Someone made an oops with those CAM classes... if you a '73-'77 non two seater, your excluded.

Craig Naylor wrote:Someone made an oops with those CAM classes... if you a '73-'77 non two seater, your excluded.

I noticed that, too. I just copied the info from a letter by Brian Harmer, Rally/Solo Program Manager. The draft of the 2015 Solo Rules matches.

Craig Naylor wrote:Someone made an oops with those CAM classes... if you a '73-'77 non two seater, your excluded.

No worries......there were no muscle cars during those years. In the early 70's the government began mandating low lead fuel. Combine that with the oil embargo by OPEC and new government safety mandates, we were left with a bunch of ugly, gutless cars. The muscle cars disappeared entirely. The 70's was the lost decade of American muscle.

I guess that rules out the Pinto and the Vega...

George Schilling wrote:

Craig Naylor wrote:Someone made an oops with those CAM classes... if you a '73-'77 non two seater, your excluded.

No worries......there were no muscle cars during those years.

Hmmm.

http://www.solomatters.com/rolling_awes ... ulm_camaro

Bill Martin wrote:

George Schilling wrote:

Craig Naylor wrote:Someone made an oops with those CAM classes... if you a '73-'77 non two seater, your excluded.

No worries......there were no muscle cars during those years.

Hmmm.

http://www.solomatters.com/rolling_awes ... ulm_camaro

Right off the showroom floor!

Bill Martin wrote:

George Schilling wrote:

Craig Naylor wrote:Someone made an oops with those CAM classes... if you a '73-'77 non two seater, your excluded.

No worries......there were no muscle cars during those years.

Hmmm.

http://www.solomatters.com/rolling_awes ... ulm_camaro

Ron's car just needs an interior and some 200w tires. And a few hundred pounds of ballast...


Hey, are there engine rules in this class?
Could you build a Corvair with a mid-mounted Subaru 2.5 turbo motor? Or does it have to be 'murican? I suppose a fwd LNF would work ok too...

Right off the showroom floor!

Sorry...wasn't aware the CAM classes were showroom stock.

I was refuting your claim that there were no candidate cars in the "not allowed" listings.
But I won't argue the "ugly" part.

Robert Puertas wrote: Hey, are there engine rules in this class?

Eligible Vehicles
• Vehicle must be either a domestic automobile of front-engine/RWD configuration or a “pick-up” truck.
• Vehicle must be licensed and insured and considered fully “street legal” (lights, wipers, etc.). Windshield and glass must be OE or equivalent except as subsequently allowed. Interior and exterior must have a “finished” look.
• Vehicle must pass the mandatory safety inspection (tech) and be in compliance with Section 3, Vehicles, of the 2015 SCCA® National Solo® Rules.
• Excluded: Chevrolet Corvette (1984-2015), Dodge/SRT Viper (all)
• Body Allowances: Body panels may be modified or replaced in the original standard locations.
• Rear seating may be removed or modified. If removed, seat bottom area must be covered; seat back area must be covered with a panel.
• Interior panels (door panels, kick panels, etc.) may be replaced and must cover any opening(s) the original panel(s) concealed. A single panel may only be replaced by another single panel.
• Dash may be modified or replaced, but must be complete and cover the original area.
• Headliner may be replaced or removed.
• Exposed metal interior surfaces must be covered, painted, and/or coated. (No “race car” interiors, please.)
• Fuel tank/cell may be modified or replaced and must be separated from the driver/passengers as originally manufactured or by a metal panel/bulkhead. Fuel must not vent into the driver/passenger compartment directly or indirectly.
• Front splitter, air dam, and/or spoiler may be added below the bumper, but must not extend past the perimeter of the body.
• Rear spoiler may be added, but may extend no more than 8” from the original body nor past the perimeter of the body. No rear wings may be added except OE or equivalent.
• Any metallic wheels are allowed. Non-metallic wheels are also allowed.
Body Electrical System Allowances
• Components and wiring are unrestricted.
Brake System Allowances
• Components, lines, and hoses are unrestricted.
Suspension and Steering Allowances
• Components and method of attachment are unrestricted.
Engine and Drive Train Allowances
• Components (internal and external) are unrestricted.

Supplemental Classes, as used at SCCA® National Solo® events:
CAM-T (Traditional) (body styles originating from 1954-72)
• Examples: Camaro (-1981), Mustang (-1973), Barracuda (-1974)
• Seating originally for 4 or more adults
• Wheelbase, minimum (inches) 108
• Weight, minimum (lbs.) 3000
• Interior floor covering(s) may be replaced, but not removed.
CAM-C (Contemporary) (body styles originating from 1978-on)
• Included: Pontiac GTO (2004-06), Pontiac G8 (2008-09), Chevrolet SS (2014-15)
• Seating originally for 4 or more adults
• Wheelbase, minimum (inches) 100
• Weight, minimum (lbs.) 3000
• Interior floor covering(s) may be replaced, but not removed.
CAM-S (Sports) (minimum wheelbase - 90”)
• Seating originally for 2 or more adults
• Wheelbase, minimum (inches) 90
• Weight, minimum (lbs.) 2600
• Weight, minimum (lbs.) w/ Lexan® windshield 2750
Note: In 2016, OE or equivalent windshields will be required in keeping with CAM philosophy of “no race cars.”
• Side windows may be replaced with Lexan® or equivalent and operating mechanism may be removed or changed.
• Interior floor covering may be removed.

So, no corvair...

But a 4wd pick-up is ok?

I see the rules actually state "body styles originating from" XXXX. As opposed to CAM T = 1954 to 72 as was originally stated. Odd way of doing things, but that must at least partially close that "not allowed" gap. I wonder why they just didn't say CAM C picks up where CAM T leaves off?

Maybe Nader had some input?

CAM-S looks like it was built around the Cobra. The Lexan rule sounds like it came about from the "racecar" C2 corvette that did well at nats. Both cars were under the 2014 3,000 lb limit, also read the C2 runs 9's in the 1/4. Now the weight limit was dropped 400 lbs to accommodate those cars, too bad for those building to last year's rules.

"• Any metallic wheels are allowed. Non-metallic wheels are also allowed."

These guys get paid by the word?

Bill Martin wrote:"• Any metallic wheels are allowed. Non-metallic wheels are also allowed."

These guys get paid by the word?

Maybe they felt they used unrestricted too many times already.

CAM-T (Traditional) (body styles originating from 1954-72)
• Examples: Camaro (-1981), Mustang (-1973), Barracuda (-1974)

The Pinto, Vega, Capri all meet the pre '72 body style rule... but fall short of the wheelbase requirement

The Mustang II doesn't meet the year requirement, or the wheelbase requirement...

I'm curious what specific car they aimed the rule at to exclude...

Is there an active regional CAM class here? I saw San Deigo has a pretty active class but when I look at the 2014 event results on this forum I didn't see CAM listed?

Thanks

Chad-1stGen wrote:Is there an active regional CAM class here? I saw San Deigo has a pretty active class but when I look at the 2014 event results on this forum I didn't see CAM listed?

Thanks

We have it, just no one participates in it. I have 91' Camaro and when I run it I usually run CST. I ran CAM once and won. The other guy never came back.

Chad-1stGen wrote:Is there an active regional CAM class here? I saw San Diego has a pretty active class but when I look at the 2014 event results on this forum I didn't see CAM listed?

Thanks

There can't be a class till the 1st person shows up, and then the second etc, etc.

It's kinda like the Muscle car itself... a few existed before, but it took the Mustang showing up on the scene to start the craze.

Be the impetus to start the class here.

Thanks for the replies. I've done a few autocross events with my 68 Camaro and though an actual SCCA event might be fun. I will try and make it out. Sadly I'm already booked on the Jan and Feb dates.

So no Corvettes in CAM-S, what other two seaters were there really?

Arthur Grant wrote:So no Corvettes in CAM-S, what other two seaters were there really?

Hi Arthur,
C1-C3 corvettes and Cobras are included in CAM-S.
Although, IMO CAM-S should be C4-C7, Vipers and Cobras. And C1-C3 corvettes should be in CAM-T.

Rick

Richard Jung wrote:
Hi Arthur,
C1-C3 corvettes and Cobras are included in CAM-S.
Although, IMO CAM-S should be C4-C7, Vipers and Cobras. And C1-C3 corvettes should be in CAM-T.

Rick

I have a C3 vette but I thought I should be in Street Prepared (new headers). Should I change to CAM-S?

Is there really a difference between classes? My first event so Im not sure if its super important to be in a certain class her not.

Street Prepared will allow more modifications that Cam.

Street Prepared allows Race tires, CAM requires Street tires.

If you intend any upgrades to your car in the next year.... look at the rules figure out which class you will remain legal in the longest, even if not fully prepared today. Go run there, then change down the road if or when you need to.

Most people plan class changes between seasons so that they can spend a full year competing towards that year end trophy.