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Non-Shifter Kart Class for Solo?

Post by Tin Bui » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:31 pm

So I recently just bought a used TAG 125 kart. Main purpose is help me become a better driver and also get some wheel to wheel experience.

Is there a solo class for a TAG 125 kart?

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Post by Giovanni Jaramillo » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:38 pm

Tin Bui wrote:So I recently just bought a used TAG 125 kart. Main purpose is help me become a better driver and also get some wheel to wheel experience.

Is there a solo class for a TAG 125 kart?
No, and the reason being is that there isn't a DEMAND for a class for non-shifters (i.e. TAG). There's a thread on eKartingNews.com where someone made a request and that's the reasoning on the national level. On a local regional level, you could go through your club rep, but we don't have a big karting class here in Cal Club and all are shifters.

Here's the thread Tin: SCCA Unfair to TaG's in Classing

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Post by Webster Jessup » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:00 am

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:
Tin Bui wrote:So I recently just bought a used TAG 125 kart. Main purpose is help me become a better driver and also get some wheel to wheel experience.

Is there a solo class for a TAG 125 kart?
No, and the reason being is that there isn't a DEMAND for a class for non-shifters (i.e. TAG). There's a thread on eKartingNews.com where someone made a request and that's the reasoning on the national level. On a local regional level, you could go through your club rep, but we don't have a big karting class here in Cal Club and all are shifters.

Here's the thread Tin: SCCA Unfair to TaG's in Classing

How would you know until a class is created? There are some real bonehead policies in this organization and the rampant conflicts of interest make change impossible or just frustrating.

Does it cost anything to add an additional class? Nope.

Would it most likely increase membership? Most likely. Just give people opportunities AND some COMPETITION. Having TAGs run against a faster group is just plain ignorant. Or telling people to run in PAX :roll: Ya, that's gonna make you feel good when you get spanked by the fastest cars out there.

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Post by Chris Cullen » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:15 am

If you geared it really low, then the only place on the course where you'd loose a lot of time is on the start before the motor gets into it's power band. I say have a go at an event, I'd like to see how you do. Which motor do you have? A Rotax would fair the best against the shifters because of it's power-valve at lower RPM.

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Re: Non-Shifter Kart Class for Solo?

Post by Max Hayter » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:08 am

Webster Jessup wrote: How would you know until a class is created? There are some real bonehead policies in this organization and the rampant conflicts of interest make change impossible or just frustrating.

Does it cost anything to add an additional class? Nope.

Would it most likely increase membership? Most likely. Just give people opportunities AND some COMPETITION. Having TAGs run against a faster group is just plain ignorant. Or telling people to run in PAX :roll: Ya, that's gonna make you feel good when you get spanked by the fastest cars out there.
Ahhh... I see. You are suggesting the SCCA create a class for every car/kart, just so no one feels left out?
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Re: Non-Shifter Kart Class for Solo?

Post by Tin Bui » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:01 am

Chris Cullen wrote:If you geared it really low, then the only place on the course where you'd loose a lot of time is on the start before the motor gets into it's power band. I say have a go at an event, I'd like to see how you do. Which motor do you have? A Rotax would fair the best against the shifters because of it's power-valve at lower RPM.
I'm not sure what I'm geared at, but I do have a set of sprockets. I have a PRD Fireball for the new spec class at LAKC. I do have a bigger carb for running TAG.

Thanks for the insight. I'll bring it out to maybe the March event.

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Post by Robert Puertas » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:40 am

Tin,
while the scca does not currently offer a tag class, each region is free to add any class they want.
You could certainly make a proposal to add a regional only class. It wouldn't hurt if you could get a couple of people to run it. Also make a spreadsheet of the differences between F-TAG and F-125 (including lap times at the local kart tracks) so those of us who are less familiar with the differences can better understand the situation.

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Post by Ron Tsumura » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:58 am

Tire selection is also another consideration. For example, MG Yellows, Bridgstone YHC, etc. are usually required at kart tracks. However softer compounds are the tires of choice for Solo 2.

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Re: Non-Shifter Kart Class for Solo?

Post by Giovanni Jaramillo » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:28 pm

Webster Jessup wrote:
Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:
Tin Bui wrote:So I recently just bought a used TAG 125 kart. Main purpose is help me become a better driver and also get some wheel to wheel experience.

Is there a solo class for a TAG 125 kart?
No, and the reason being is that there isn't a DEMAND for a class for non-shifters (i.e. TAG). There's a thread on eKartingNews.com where someone made a request and that's the reasoning on the national level. On a local regional level, you could go through your club rep, but we don't have a big karting class here in Cal Club and all are shifters.

Here's the thread Tin: SCCA Unfair to TaG's in Classing

How would you know until a class is created? There are some real bonehead policies in this organization and the rampant conflicts of interest make change impossible or just frustrating.

Does it cost anything to add an additional class? Nope.

Would it most likely increase membership? Most likely. Just give people opportunities AND some COMPETITION. Having TAGs run against a faster group is just plain ignorant. Or telling people to run in PAX :roll: Ya, that's gonna make you feel good when you get spanked by the fastest cars out there.
Apparently you did NOT read my reply to Tin, Webster or else you'd realize that we as a region have the freedom to create a local class IF, there's a demand. So that's why I suggested to Tin to contact his club rep and make a formal proposal. Since you're a newbie and have no clue how we do things, that's how we operate. Your club rep is your mouth piece, or you're more than welcome to attend a committee meeting. But the powers that be will not create a new class JUST for 1 person. And even then if we did, it would be a region-specific only class. Thus if he ran down in SD region there would be no F125-TAG class, thus he'd have to run in F125.

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Re: Non-Shifter Kart Class for Solo?

Post by Eric Clements » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:29 pm

Tin Bui wrote: Is there a solo class for a TAG 125 kart?
YES, its called F125. SCCA Solo has a class for just about any 4 (or more, not in a line) wheeled vehicle. Jeff Grossman brought out a TAG kart a while back and was pretty fast in it...

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Post by Tin Bui » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:51 pm

Thanks guys for the discussion.

I'm just gonna bring the kart out and have fun in F125. If I like running the TAG and find others who want to run a TAG class, I'll start thinking about proposing a class for it.

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Post by Giovanni Jaramillo » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:57 pm

Tin Bui wrote:Thanks guys for the discussion.

I'm just gonna bring the kart out and have fun in F125. If I like running the TAG and find others who want to run a TAG class, I'll start thinking about proposing a class for it.
Exactly Tin. Just have fun in F125.

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Post by Webster Jessup » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:16 am

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:Apparently you did NOT read my reply to Tin, Webster or else you'd realize that we as a region have the freedom to create a local class IF, there's a demand. So that's why I suggested to Tin to contact his club rep and make a formal proposal. Since you're a newbie and have no clue how we do things, that's how we operate. Your club rep is your mouth piece, or you're more than welcome to attend a committee meeting. But the powers that be will not create a new class JUST for 1 person. And even then if we did, it would be a region-specific only class. Thus if he ran down in SD region there would be no F125-TAG class, thus he'd have to run in F125.
READ? You seem to be the one with the reading comprehension issue.

With your last sentence, you basically told him that even if he did ask his club rep, it'd be hopeless.

I also mentioned conflict of interest.

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Re: Non-Shifter Kart Class for Solo?

Post by Webster Jessup » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:19 am

Max Hayter wrote:
Webster Jessup wrote: How would you know until a class is created? There are some real bonehead policies in this organization and the rampant conflicts of interest make change impossible or just frustrating.

Does it cost anything to add an additional class? Nope.

Would it most likely increase membership? Most likely. Just give people opportunities AND some COMPETITION. Having TAGs run against a faster group is just plain ignorant. Or telling people to run in PAX :roll: Ya, that's gonna make you feel good when you get spanked by the fastest cars out there.
Ahhh... I see. You are suggesting the SCCA create a class for every car/kart, just so no one feels left out?
You said that, not me.

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Post by Max Hayter » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:18 pm

Webster Jessup wrote:You said that, not me.
Wanna fight?
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Post by Kurt Rahn » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:29 pm

Max Hayter wrote:
Webster Jessup wrote:You said that, not me.
Wanna fight?
:lol: :lol: :lol: I can see Web is gonna fit right in at CASOC :gpower: :gpower: :gpower:
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Post by Steve Ekstrand » Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:19 pm

$5 on Web.

Sorry Nancy. But he's a big dude.
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Post by Kurt Rahn » Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:30 pm

Steve Ekstrand wrote:$5 on Web.

Sorry Nancy. But he's a big dude.
It ain't necessarily the size of the dog in the fight. On the other hand, I have a really hard time picturing Nancy getting down and dirty.
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Post by Steve Ekstrand » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:11 pm

My money is on Simanyi's dog.
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Post by Max Hayter » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:32 pm

I was thinking more of a Pistols at Dawn kind of thing.
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Post by Webster Jessup » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:48 pm

Max Hayter wrote:I was thinking more of a Pistols at Dawn kind of thing.
That's more like it.
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Post by Max Hayter » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:52 pm

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Re: Non-Shifter Kart Class for Solo?

Post by Giovanni Jaramillo » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:27 pm

Webster Jessup wrote:
Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:Apparently you did NOT read my reply to Tin, Webster or else you'd realize that we as a region have the freedom to create a local class IF, there's a demand. So that's why I suggested to Tin to contact his club rep and make a formal proposal. Since you're a newbie and have no clue how we do things, that's how we operate. Your club rep is your mouth piece, or you're more than welcome to attend a committee meeting. But the powers that be will not create a new class JUST for 1 person. And even then if we did, it would be a region-specific only class. Thus if he ran down in SD region there would be no F125-TAG class, thus he'd have to run in F125.
READ? You seem to be the one with the reading comprehension issue.

With your last sentence, you basically told him that even if he did ask his club rep, it'd be hopeless.

I also mentioned conflict of interest.
Oh I never said it'd be hopeless, I was just pointing out that if it was accepted it'd be just for Cal Club region only. And what "conflict of interest" are you referring to? Though I am on the Executive Board, it is the Solo Committee that votes on this. I have no say. Just pointing out how things are done to a "newbie" like you.

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Post by Theo O. » Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:46 pm

Everyone is a "newbie" at some point and "newbies" are the future of the sport and club. Let's not turn the word into a term of insult.

Sorry to interupt, ya'll resume your drama.
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Post by Steve Ekstrand » Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:44 pm

I'm still trying to visualize Web in a kart. But then again urt Rahn has driven a kart. :shock:
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