The new look of F1

Mako Koiwai · Post by **Mako Koiwai** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:59 pm

of course THAT ship is unloaded. Normally it would settle down to the black paint.

Bob Beamesderfer · Post by **Bob Beamesderfer** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:29 am

Mako Koiwai wrote:of course THAT ship is unloaded. Normally it would settle down to the black paint.

Years ago, Michael Palin of Monty Python fame, did a series where he traveled round the world. He took a high-speed container ship from Japan to the West Coast. Only took about four days. When the ship was fully loaded it sat pretty low in the water.

Mako Koiwai · Post by **Mako Koiwai** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:13 am

Nice Redbull Video showing the changes for '09:

http://www.redbullracing.com/4th-Sector ... Rule-Book/

Sebastian Rios · Post by **Sebastian Rios** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:29 am

Mako Koiwai wrote:Nice Redbull Video showing the changes for '09:

http://www.redbullracing.com/4th-Sector ... Rule-Book/

That was cool!

Tom Denham · Post by **Tom Denham** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:00 am

Bob Beamesderfer · Post by **Bob Beamesderfer** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:19 am

Giovanni Jaramillo · Post by **Giovanni Jaramillo** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:45 am

new look? how about "no" look F1.....when the money dries up so goes F1

http://www.crash.net/formula+one/news/1 ... surer.html

Mako Koiwai · Post by **Mako Koiwai** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:07 pm

Branson/Virgin looks like it might be involved with the Honda resurrection

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45132

Bob Beamesderfer · Post by **Bob Beamesderfer** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:34 pm

Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:new look? how about "no" look F1.....when the money dries up so goes F1

http://www.crash.net/formula+one/news/1 ... surer.html

ING's out at the end of this year, leaving Renault without a main sponsor for 2010.

Aaron Goldsmith · Post by **Aaron Goldsmith** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:43 pm

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -champion/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mako Koiwai · Post by **Mako Koiwai** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:18 pm

Does the change make any difference? I remember years ago they thought up various changes to the points system. They went back in time and applied the various proposals to past results. I think in only one year did it make a major change.

Cool that Honda has gone from Out to BRAWN and being on top of the Pile. At the end of the last test session before the first race, Alonso topped the two Brawn/Mercedes drivers.

Bob Beamesderfer · Post by **Bob Beamesderfer** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:00 pm

Mako Koiwai wrote:Does the change make any difference? I remember years ago they thought up various changes to the points system. They went back in time and applied the various proposals to past results. I think in only one year did it make a major change.

Cool that Honda has gone from Out to BRAWN and being on top of the Pile. At the end of the last test session before the first race, Alonso topped the two Brawn/Mercedes drivers.

Keep in mind that development on the Brawn car started about the middle of last season when it was clear the '08 Honda was not worth working on. Plus, the usual caveat, testing is not quali or race pace.

Mako Koiwai · Post by **Mako Koiwai** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:06 pm

But with their fate in limbo for so long, it's surprising that the money was still there for development on a car that had no sure future. I thought I remember a lot of people being laid off. Perhaps too many cooks before, allowed the few brilliant hard working ones that were left to really get some work done.

Kristoffer Gjevre · Post by **Kristoffer Gjevre** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:53 pm

Aaron Goldsmith wrote:http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -champion/

...points would only decide the championship if drivers ended the season with the same number of victories.

The FIA's world motor sport council meeting in Paris rejected a proposal put forward by the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) to change the scoring structure to a 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 points format from the existing 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1.

Way to go FIA... make it confusing...
I agree that the winner of the most races should be the champion, but come on, could they not put some research into it and come up with a points system that would reflect that...

BTW, as I recall the points system we have had for several years was suposedly created because MS was winning too much so make it harder for him to be champion...

Mako Koiwai · Post by **Mako Koiwai** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:31 pm

Wow ... this scoring change would have really changed history if it had been applied earlier:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... 22&page=54

Like seeing Jim Clark being rewarded!

Bob Beamesderfer · Post by **Bob Beamesderfer** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:53 am

Mako Koiwai wrote:But with their fate in limbo for so long, it's surprising that the money was still there for development on a car that had no sure future. I thought I remember a lot of people being laid off. Perhaps too many cooks before, allowed the few brilliant hard working ones that were left to really get some work done.

Yeah, but they started work on the new car in the middle of last season, long before Honda pulled out and before the current testing limitations came into play.

Bob Beamesderfer · Post by **Bob Beamesderfer** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:33 am

New scoring system put off until 2010 season.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21258.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kristoffer Gjevre · Post by **Kristoffer Gjevre** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:27 pm

Looks to me like because the FOTA is united over the scoring system issue, the FIA/Mosley has nothing to gain so he is OK with a quick change.

On the other hand, the diffuser issue that there has been complaints about for over a month, and there now is a "detailed objections" submitted, FIA/Mosley is doing nothing, because he sees it as an opportunity to cause tensions between the teams in the FOTA over the issue.
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/11800/900/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is just too bad as I want to see a good and fair race in Melbourne and have the results stand afterwards.

Kristoffer Gjevre · Post by **Kristoffer Gjevre** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:44 pm

Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:Looks to me like because the FOTA is united over the scoring system issue, the FIA/Mosley has nothing to gain so he is OK with a quick change.
....

The real reason... FIA-WMSC/Mosley did not have a choice but to undo the change:

"The amendment to the sporting regulations proposed by the WMSC was not performed in accordance with the procedure provided for by Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations and, as per the provisions of article 199 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it is too late for the FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula One Championship.

"Since the change to the scoring system unanimously agreed by the teams and proposed to the FIA did not receive approval of the WMSC, no change can occur in 2009."

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 28,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bob Beamesderfer · Post by **Bob Beamesderfer** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:58 am

The sporting regs were at the heart of FOTA's argument.

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