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You should be able to do a full cage with only a little trim work, we have full interior with a full cage in the SSC Nissan. If there is not a ready made kit that fits your car, you should go by Beta Motorsports and have John make one.Matthew Thiemann wrote:I'm interested in putting a 4pt roll bar in my e30 BMW after witnessing a pretty bad crash last weekend, but i'm a little confused on the rules. I've gone through the rule book a few times but the roll bar/cage rules are really vague. All it basically says is that roll bars and full cages are legal in all classes but how would you do this without removing any of the interior?
I really want to stay in STX but I also want to make my car safer for track days. In order to put in a 4pt bar all I would have to remove would be the rear seat. The seat has no support in it, it's just a cushion so it only weighs like 10lbs, way less than the bar that would go in. I can't imagine this fits under comfort and convenience, am I just SOL? I might be able to cut holes in the cushion but I'd really really like to avoid this.
Of course wheel to wheel is a lot different and more dangerous.
John Coffey wrote:Ditto. I build roll cages and bars (thanks for the referral Jason) and I won't build or install a roll cage in car that's driven on the street. Its just too risky IMHO. I will build and install a roll bar on a street driven car but you will lose rear seat accommodations.
For a roll bar for your E30 Kirk Racing makes a nice bolt-in bar and I sell their products. I can also make a custom weld-in bar if you want to go that route.
Like John said, a full cage on the street is a recipe for disaster. While I do not have first hand knowledge, the word is that a T1 Corvette driver that was practicing for the Runoffs received minor brain damage (word is he will make a full recovery) when his helmet split on impact with his cage during a wreck. Remove the helmet and have a similar impact on the street. Game Over. :unimpressed: Would you let someone hit you in the head with a baseball bat wrapped with a fun-noodle?John Coffey wrote:Its not the main hoop of the roll cage or bar that's my concern - the seat back pretty much limits any head contact with that. Its the upper door hoop that is part of a roll cage that post a threat to you're noggin' The cage tubing is at least 2" closer to your head then the top of the door frame and people often smack their heads on the door frame in a side impact.
No imagination...Matthew Thiemann wrote:My rear seat cushion goes all the way to the doors so, unlike the picture, I think I'll either have to remove it or cut into it. I really don't want to have to remove it every time because I''m also gonna get some 5 pt harnesses and I would have to remove those too without the harness bar support.
John: I'll send you a PM about the kirk bar
thanks, i'm not sure whether or not the rear bars of the kirk or autopower bars go that far out towards the doors, I guess I'll find out If they don't, John can make them. ;)Matthew Thiemann wrote:
