In addition, does this event add into the championship points? If it does add to the championship points, is it considered 2 events (one for Sat, one for Sun)?Greg Peng wrote:How is car numbering going to be done for this event? Are we using our regional numbers or National-style numbers?
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Two ChampionshipsVincent Wong wrote: In addition, does this event add into the championship points? If it does add to the championship points, is it considered 2 events (one for Sat, one for Sun)?
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How is the PAX class handled if its a points championship too?
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The following has been added to the first post in this thread.Steve Ekstrand wrote:How is the PAX class handled if its a points championship too?
Unless otherwise requested, those who normally compete locally in Pax class will be reclassified to Pax for local points and scoring.
Numbers and sharing a car
A ‘National Style’ numbering system will be used for this event which is choosing any number 1-99 for a first driver and adding 100 to the number for a second driver. Numbers are available on a first come first served basis per class (e.g. 99 in AS is seen as different from 99 in CSP). As always, easy to read numbers and class letters are required on the car.
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Thank YOU all for th effort to make this happend. I really appreciate it
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The decision was made to use SCCA National style numbering (Thank you Christine for dealing with the local points). Two digit numbers in the range of 1-99 for individual drivers and 1st drivers of a 2 driver car. A 1 added to the beginning of the two digit number for 2nd drivers. Duplicate numbers across classes is now allowed in AXWare.
All currently registered people were emailed to update their numbers if necessary.
Also, when registering, please edit your registration to provide your shirt size. If you have already registered, click on My Registrations and then the edit button (the little pencil symbol) to edit your shirt size. If you are a local competitor, while you're at it, please choose T or $ (for Trophy or Solo $) in the T / $ column.
Thanks and sorry for any inconvenience.
All currently registered people were emailed to update their numbers if necessary.
Also, when registering, please edit your registration to provide your shirt size. If you have already registered, click on My Registrations and then the edit button (the little pencil symbol) to edit your shirt size. If you are a local competitor, while you're at it, please choose T or $ (for Trophy or Solo $) in the T / $ column.
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i don't see a choice for $40 registration. do i pay the $80 and get $40 back at registration? and who do i PM to advise of which day i can make it?
also, do 1 dayers get a T-shirt to?
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also, do 1 dayers get a T-shirt to?
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Attached is a pdf file of the area around the El Toro Base showing some of the amenities available. I am still eding the map, adding gas stations, restaurants, etc.
If there is a specifice business that is in the covered area that you would like added, please let me know.
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Something that I think would be of great value to out of town racers is the location and phone numbers of nearby parts stores and tire shops. Especially ones known to be open on Sunday.
And if there is anything like that NAPA warehouse we have in Fontana available in the OC, that would be great too.
Also the nearest source for pump unleaded 100.
And if there is anything like that NAPA warehouse we have in Fontana available in the OC, that would be great too.
Also the nearest source for pump unleaded 100.
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John ... I email you the location of some more non-big-national fast food places a few blocks from El Toro, ie. Sand Canyon and Irvine Center Drive
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There's a Knowlwood's (great burgers and sandwiches), Jack in the Box and a Denny's on Sand Canyon just south of Interstate 5...only a few hundred yards from the Marine Way entrance to El Toro.
Also, there's a Goodyear wheel/tire shop on the corner of Bake Parkway and Irvine (directions: north on Sand Canyon, turn right on Irvine, left on Bake, right into first driveway).
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Also, there's a Goodyear wheel/tire shop on the corner of Bake Parkway and Irvine (directions: north on Sand Canyon, turn right on Irvine, left on Bake, right into first driveway).
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Perhaps as important for the out of towners the no overnighting rule that El Toro has. The guy's with the RV's may think they can stay the night. Thus the local WalMart location becomes important.
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I believe the local Walmarts and Costco's both restrict overnight RV's. Welcome to the Orange Curtain.....
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The 2010 TIRERACK SoPac Divisional - FAQ for locals
FAQ for the Locals!
Registration
Pre-Reg Weekend: $80, includes free shirt and Friday welcome party
Late Reg Weekend: $130
One Day Entry: $40
Registration for the Divisional is slightly from our normal regional events in that payment is required at the time of registration. Registration requires payment of entry fees of $80 for the weekend if paid by midnight, June 18. Late entry is $130. This includes the Friday welcome party and a free t-shirt. If you can only make one day, you can pay $40 for that day only but that will not include the welcome party or t-shirt. The last day to register is Thursday June 24.
The TIRERACK SoPac Divisional is primarily a two day event. It is also serves as a two Cal Club Championships with Saturday and Sunday scored independently for local purposes. The Axware site will only take ‘weekend’ entries. It is highly encouraged that drivers enter both days, but one day only entries are allowed for $40.
How Divisional scoring will work
The results for the Divisional are scored much like a national tour. Each day’s competition (Saturday and Sunday) will be on a different course. Driver’s top time from each day are added together to get a Divisional result.
How regional scoring will work
The CalClub Divisional will count as two individual regional championships, one based on Saturday’s performances and one on Sunday’s performances. For this event only, non-points card holders will be removed from the results for points purposes. For most driver’s, your regional score will simply be how well you did within the Divisional class you drove each day. Drivers competing for season championships in PAX, PAXL, CPM and NOV will have each day of their Divisional results indexed together to produce regional scores.
There will be limited exceptions made that will allow some drivers to compete in the Divisional under one class but apply their times to a different regional class scoring. For example a driver competes in HIST locally, but wishes to compete in FSP at the Divisional. This driver would compete in FSP at the Divisional, and then have his times transferred to HIST after the competition for determining regional points. If you fall within this exception, please contact Christine Berry before the event.
Numbers and sharing a car
It is not necessary to use your SoCal Solo points card numbers at this event. For this event only you will choose any number 1-99 for a first driver and adding 100 to the number for a second driver. Numbers are available on a first come first served basis per class (e.g. 99 in AS is seen as different from 99 in CSP). As always, easy to read numbers and class letters are required on the car.
Run/Work groups
Due to the nature of this event the run heats will not follow the normal CalClub rotation. Most likely there will be 5 run groups, two before lunch and three after. Each day will follow the same order with Saturday starting at 9am and Sunday at 8:30 am. The exact run group order will be determined after pre-registration closes and posted the Wednesday before the event.
Required Decals
Due to the sponsorship of this event, there are a few decals that are required to be on every competing car. Car’s will need these decals in place before passing tech: a ‘TireRack’ windshield banner; Divisional Championship and SoPac Division decal on each side; SCCA decal on the the front of the car. The required decals will be available at tech for no charge except for the SCCA decal which is availible for purchase for $2 from at tech. It is allowed to put the required decals on magnet or tape for easy removal after the event, but the decals have to contrast and be visible on the car.
Contingencies
Contingencies are available for Divisional Series results from Hoosier, Kumho, Bridgestone, and Toyo. It is the driver’s responsibility to register and comply with all of the manufactures rules regarding contingencies.
Grid
For the Divisional there will be a ‘Grid A’ and a ‘Grid B’. Grid spots are numbered and pre-assigned (typically by your car number). Before proceeding to the grid, drivers should check the posted grid sheet for their grid location. Co-drivers share the same gird location. The assigned grid spot should be the same for both days.
Impound (weighing)
At the Divisional will be the added period of ‘Impound’. This is the period of time for competitors to inspect class compliance and wait for preliminary results. Impound will occur back at your assigned grid location.
Each day after the final run of the final driver, cars that have a minimum weight requirement should proceed to the scales to be weighed before proceeding back to their grid location. All other cars should proceed directly to their grid location. Cars must remain in place with hoods and trunks open until released by the chief of impound. Not reporting to impound or refusing inspection can lead to a DSQ. Special exceptions can be made for cars than need to be in the next run group.
Protests
Protests while undesirable are a lot more common at national level events due to the higher stakes. Protests against cars should be brought up to the Chief of Protest or Chief Steward during the impound period. A protest against class competition (including Timing and Scoring) should be brought up to the Chief of Protest or Chief Steward within 30 minutes of the cars being release from impound. A protest against the event shall occur no more than 30 minutes after the last class is released from impound. A Protest fee of $25 to $50 is required, but it is returned if the protest holds or if the protest committee decides to do so.
Test & Tune
A test and tune period has been confirmed for Friday from 12 to 4 pm. Cost is 4 runs for $10 or $3 each plus a short work assignment.
Registration
Pre-Reg Weekend: $80, includes free shirt and Friday welcome party
Late Reg Weekend: $130
One Day Entry: $40
Registration for the Divisional is slightly from our normal regional events in that payment is required at the time of registration. Registration requires payment of entry fees of $80 for the weekend if paid by midnight, June 18. Late entry is $130. This includes the Friday welcome party and a free t-shirt. If you can only make one day, you can pay $40 for that day only but that will not include the welcome party or t-shirt. The last day to register is Thursday June 24.
The TIRERACK SoPac Divisional is primarily a two day event. It is also serves as a two Cal Club Championships with Saturday and Sunday scored independently for local purposes. The Axware site will only take ‘weekend’ entries. It is highly encouraged that drivers enter both days, but one day only entries are allowed for $40.
How Divisional scoring will work
The results for the Divisional are scored much like a national tour. Each day’s competition (Saturday and Sunday) will be on a different course. Driver’s top time from each day are added together to get a Divisional result.
How regional scoring will work
The CalClub Divisional will count as two individual regional championships, one based on Saturday’s performances and one on Sunday’s performances. For this event only, non-points card holders will be removed from the results for points purposes. For most driver’s, your regional score will simply be how well you did within the Divisional class you drove each day. Drivers competing for season championships in PAX, PAXL, CPM and NOV will have each day of their Divisional results indexed together to produce regional scores.
There will be limited exceptions made that will allow some drivers to compete in the Divisional under one class but apply their times to a different regional class scoring. For example a driver competes in HIST locally, but wishes to compete in FSP at the Divisional. This driver would compete in FSP at the Divisional, and then have his times transferred to HIST after the competition for determining regional points. If you fall within this exception, please contact Christine Berry before the event.
Numbers and sharing a car
It is not necessary to use your SoCal Solo points card numbers at this event. For this event only you will choose any number 1-99 for a first driver and adding 100 to the number for a second driver. Numbers are available on a first come first served basis per class (e.g. 99 in AS is seen as different from 99 in CSP). As always, easy to read numbers and class letters are required on the car.
Run/Work groups
Due to the nature of this event the run heats will not follow the normal CalClub rotation. Most likely there will be 5 run groups, two before lunch and three after. Each day will follow the same order with Saturday starting at 9am and Sunday at 8:30 am. The exact run group order will be determined after pre-registration closes and posted the Wednesday before the event.
Required Decals
Due to the sponsorship of this event, there are a few decals that are required to be on every competing car. Car’s will need these decals in place before passing tech: a ‘TireRack’ windshield banner; Divisional Championship and SoPac Division decal on each side; SCCA decal on the the front of the car. The required decals will be available at tech for no charge except for the SCCA decal which is availible for purchase for $2 from at tech. It is allowed to put the required decals on magnet or tape for easy removal after the event, but the decals have to contrast and be visible on the car.
Contingencies
Contingencies are available for Divisional Series results from Hoosier, Kumho, Bridgestone, and Toyo. It is the driver’s responsibility to register and comply with all of the manufactures rules regarding contingencies.
Grid
For the Divisional there will be a ‘Grid A’ and a ‘Grid B’. Grid spots are numbered and pre-assigned (typically by your car number). Before proceeding to the grid, drivers should check the posted grid sheet for their grid location. Co-drivers share the same gird location. The assigned grid spot should be the same for both days.
Impound (weighing)
At the Divisional will be the added period of ‘Impound’. This is the period of time for competitors to inspect class compliance and wait for preliminary results. Impound will occur back at your assigned grid location.
Each day after the final run of the final driver, cars that have a minimum weight requirement should proceed to the scales to be weighed before proceeding back to their grid location. All other cars should proceed directly to their grid location. Cars must remain in place with hoods and trunks open until released by the chief of impound. Not reporting to impound or refusing inspection can lead to a DSQ. Special exceptions can be made for cars than need to be in the next run group.
Protests
Protests while undesirable are a lot more common at national level events due to the higher stakes. Protests against cars should be brought up to the Chief of Protest or Chief Steward during the impound period. A protest against class competition (including Timing and Scoring) should be brought up to the Chief of Protest or Chief Steward within 30 minutes of the cars being release from impound. A protest against the event shall occur no more than 30 minutes after the last class is released from impound. A Protest fee of $25 to $50 is required, but it is returned if the protest holds or if the protest committee decides to do so.
Test & Tune
A test and tune period has been confirmed for Friday from 12 to 4 pm. Cost is 4 runs for $10 or $3 each plus a short work assignment.
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The initial post has been updated and edited for clarity.
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thanks GeorgeGeorge Schilling wrote:The initial post has been updated and edited for clarity.
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Edited the first post to add there will be no on-site camping for this event. Sorry.
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any news on this idea?
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Any thoughts about a separate kids kart track for this weekend? I'll help out if there is one. Is there a way to register online and pay with Solo bucks yet?
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Nope. This is actually farther down on the improvement list, due to the complexity in any solution.Stephen Yeoh wrote:Is there a way to register online and pay with Solo bucks yet?
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I'm looking for 2 volunteers who want to get their work assignments for the weekend done in one day.
You will work either Saturday or Sunday as the worker check-in person. as each group is winding down you will check in the workers for the next group, assign the course workers to their corners and make sure that they have the supplies needed to do their jobs, ie flags for course workers, etc. You will need a good general knowledge of how the different jobs you are assigning are done in case there are any questions. Each person will only have to cover one of the days. The worker sheets will already be made and all the jobs will be assigned before hand.
p.s. I see that some out of towners are starting to sign up,
You will work either Saturday or Sunday as the worker check-in person. as each group is winding down you will check in the workers for the next group, assign the course workers to their corners and make sure that they have the supplies needed to do their jobs, ie flags for course workers, etc. You will need a good general knowledge of how the different jobs you are assigning are done in case there are any questions. Each person will only have to cover one of the days. The worker sheets will already be made and all the jobs will be assigned before hand.
p.s. I see that some out of towners are starting to sign up,
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I'll do Saturday, Aaron.
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I'll do Sunday but how does that work if you have all the groups and your running in the event?
Disclaimer, I am a novice and this would be the first time for this task.
Disclaimer, I am a novice and this would be the first time for this task.
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Have you done a tour in the past? I guess I should make that a prerequisite since it will be very helpful if the person understands how impound and grid work and when the impound folks would need to be checked in, etc. There will be a lot of folks at this event that haven't dealt with any of these procedures before and you'll need to be able answer at least their basic questions about the who, what, where and how of the work assignments. For sunday it isn't quite as big a deal since most folks will already have done their jobs once in Saturday.Arthur Grant wrote:I'll do Sunday but how does that work if you have all the groups and your running in the event?
Disclaimer, I am a novice and this would be the first time for this task.
Oh, and Max you're in.
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Aaron - if no other idiot volunteers, I'll train Arthur on Saturday, so he can handle Sunday.