Moved: How to beat Ryan

[Marshall Grice]

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yeah like anyone is going to beat Ryan...

[Steve Ekstrand]

This is what you need to beat Ryan....


Assuming of course, that Ryan drives the Toyota.

[Jason Uyeda]

This is what you need to beat Ryan....


Assuming of course, that Ryan drives the Toyota.

Ryan has been very fast in a Spyder before.... I think the MSR is a better bet.

[Steve Ekstrand]

oh, I suggest the challenger drive the MSR.

Ryan gets to drive the crashed spyder with the crumpled front suspension and no view out the windshield.

Now that's a fair contest.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

oh, I suggest the challenger drive the MSR.

Ryan gets to drive the crashed spyder with the crumpled front suspension and no view out the windshield.

Now that's a fair contest.

But once the bumper falls off, it's all over for the challenger.

[Steve Ekstrand]

I don't know.... I'm pretty sure the alignment there is even worse than mine at El Toro.

[James Yom]

yeah like anyone is going to beat Ryan...

Haha, sorry to go against the flow here in Socal, but I predict he will be beat by one of 2 drivers, and one of them drives an MR-S. In Ryan's defense, I think all 3 have similar levels of talent, but this time he's just outgunned.

[David Avard]

If Ryan is still racing TDIs, you won't get to find out, as there is a race the weekend after Nationals and CS runs Th-Fr.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

yeah like anyone is going to beat Ryan...

Haha, sorry to go against the flow here in Socal, but I predict he will be beat by one of 2 drivers, and one of them drives an MR-S. In Ryan's defense, I think all 3 have similar levels of talent, but this time he's just outgunned.

While this match up isn't going to happen, what makes you so sure their talents are comparable? For instance, did they ever get off an airplane, arrive at a Solo race with no opportunity to walk course and then set top PAX in three runs? Mr. Buetzer did just that. :mrt:

I think it was this event:

CSCC SOLO2 CHAMPIONSHIP #11, HOSTED BY SCNAX, CAL SPEEDWAY, NOVEMBER 27, 2005
Pos Num Class Driver Name Club Yr Make Model Index Time Points
1 202 CS RYAN BUETZER CASOC 99 MAZDA MIATA 0.810 45.941 100.000
2 511 FJ4 DEAN CALL TCC 96 KALI STIKE 0.832 46.121 98.045
3 72 ESP TOM BERRY CASOC 99 CHERVOLET CAMARO SS 0.826 46.219 96.992
4 911 DSP KARL ASSEILY PSCC 94 BMW 325IS 0.822 46.453 94.488
5 30 CSP ERIC CLEMENTS PSCC 99 MAZDA MIATA 0.838 46.475 94.247
6 113 DSP TOBY LARSSON PSCC 94 BMW 325IS 0.822 46.513 93.850
7 14 CSP BILL SCHENKER CASOC 99 MAZDA MIATA 0.838 47.132 87.367
8 114 FSP KAI HUR SCNAX 97 HONDA PIRANHA 0.811 47.499 83.601
9 614 BS JASON ISLEY 05 MAZDA RX-8 0.821 47.546 83.122
10 171 FJ4 LISA BERRY CASOC 02 CRG KART 0.832 47.725 81.305

[Steve Ekstrand]

I'm of the opinion that people that consider Ryan just one of the top drivers simply don't know all the details of his solo career. He gives large handicaps to the field to make it interesting. Ryan has alien DNA.

[Mako Koiwai]

Was anyone else two wheeling there way around El Toro last weekend? Great John Stimson Photo!

Deep into 3rd in the Showcase Sweeper, according to Tim A.



Ryan says that the problem with the TDI Cup is that so many on the racers don't mind trading paint (and body work repairs that THEY have to pay for) instead of just doing clean fast racing. Hopefully Ryan can afford enough repair costs to not shy away from doing what needs to be done.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

Was anyone else two wheeling there way around El Toro last weekend? Great John Stimson Photo!

What I see that's even more amazing then being up on two wheels, is he has the car almost, if not on, the bump stops. To do that and not spin requires very good throttle control, bringing the speed up at just the right pace.

[Marshall Grice]

that pic is somewhat deceiving. there is a bump there that caused the inside wheels to lift.

[Mike Simanyi]

that pic is somewhat deceiving. there is a bump there that caused the inside wheels to lift.

Chris found that on Sunday.

Does anyone know what happens to a clutch-based LSD when one wheel is instantly going 1500 rpm faster than the other?

[Steve Ekstrand]

Better things than what happens to a torque biasing/gleason/quaiffe type???

[Aaron Goldsmith]

that pic is somewhat deceiving. there is a bump there that caused the inside wheels to lift.

Chris found that on Sunday.

Does anyone know what happens to a clutch-based LSD when one wheel is instantly going 1500 rpm faster than the other?

A bit of extra wear..

[Mako Koiwai]

I saw a few cars bounce at that bump and tried to get some shots of wheels in the air, but then I never saw it again?! I guess most of us didn't hit that bump. With Tim's soft suspension I'm surprised that Ryan bounced it up that far!

[Marshall Grice]

I saw a few cars bounce at that bump and tried to get some shots of wheels in the air, but then I never saw it again?! I guess most of us didn't hit that bump. With Tim's soft suspension I'm surprised that Ryan bounced it up that far!

I only hit the bump once but we weren't on the bumpstops when we hit it. I think you had to be RIGHT on the cone to hit it and had to be haulin' ass to also get it up on two at the same time.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

I saw a few cars bounce at that bump and tried to get some shots of wheels in the air, but then I never saw it again?! I guess most of us didn't hit that bump. With Tim's soft suspension I'm surprised that Ryan bounced it up that far!

I only hit the bump once but we weren't on the bumpstops when we hit it. I think you had to be RIGHT on the cone to hit it and had to be haulin' ass to also get it up on two at the same time.

Bump or not, that car has the left-side suspension seriously compressed; run out of travel and the "spring" rates skyrocket. I wonder what that felt like?

[Will Kalman]

Strange, I didn't notice any bumps... ;)

[Christine Grice]

You should have. I stood out at that corner with Jeff while he was taking pictures and there were lots of people from HS, GS and CSP lifting inside fronts/rears although I don't know how many actually got up on 2 wheels.

[Jeff Shyu]

You should have. I stood out at that corner with Jeff while he was taking pictures and there were lots of people from HS, GS and CSP lifting inside fronts/rears although I don't know how many actually got up on 2 wheels.

it was as Marshall said though, you had to be ON that inside cone to really feel it. I think people that were even 1.5' outside of it, stayed fairly well planted.

[Mako Koiwai]

I thought riding the bump stops was an accepted CS Miata technique, which I never "got" since it's also my understanding that once you're on the bump stops you've run out of spring and will just slide. Supposedly the bump stop was suppose to still have SOME give = very high spring rate as opposed to no spring rate. When I was running SM, I replaced my virtually solid oem Tein bump stops for Koni and then Whiteline hard foam bump stops that did have some give. Tein themselves told me to replace their bump stop if I was actually racing with their product.

My progression in bump stops with my "SM" WRX:

[Bob Beamesderfer]

I thought riding the bump stops was an accepted CS Miata technique, which I never "got" since it's also my understanding that once you're on the bump stops you've run out of spring and will just slide. Supposedly the bump stop was suppose to still have SOME give = very high spring rate as opposed to no spring rate. When I was running SM, I replaced my virtually solid oem Tein bump stops for Koni and then Whiteline hard foam bump stops that did have some give. Tein themselves told me to replace their bump stop if I was actually racing with their product.

The NB bumpstops are foam, much like the Whiteline, maybe not as stiff. Bumpstops can be replaced with shocks in Stock. The NA has a bumpstop that goes from almost no spring rate to an effective 800-1,000 pounds in the back. Been there, spun that.

[Jason Uyeda]

I thought riding the bump stops was an accepted CS Miata technique, which I never "got" since it's also my understanding that once you're on the bump stops you've run out of spring and will just slide. Supposedly the bump stop was suppose to still have SOME give = very high spring rate as opposed to no spring rate. When I was running SM, I replaced my virtually solid oem Tein bump stops for Koni and then Whiteline hard foam bump stops that did have some give. Tein themselves told me to replace their bump stop if I was actually racing with their product.

My progression in bump stops with my "SM" WRX:

None of the bumpstops pictured accurately describe the NB Miata bumpstop and the progressions it goes though. Some may disagree, but a Stock class NB MIata on the bumpstops is not so bad IMHO.