Solo 1 vs Solo 2

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Just curious as the newb that I am. :roll:

Why did you pick either or?

Do you think one takes more driving skill over an other? Or more money over the other?

Do many of you race both?

I know that in Solo 1 I dont need a roll bar, nor do many others in the faster class's
Yet in solo 2 I would be required to have a roll bar.

I was at a shop yesterday getting my Mustang worked on in attempts to get it ready for the NOTLD event when this guy sorta had an additude towards solo 1. Image
I more or less just kept my mouth shut & let him talk.

He claims to of done some Solo 1 before & it did nothing for him.
But he likes Solo 2 & enjoys doing the Streets of Willow events.

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I think you may have it backwards:

Solo 2 is now referred as simply "Solo"
Solo 1 is now referred to as "Time Trials" (formerly Hill Climbing).

Solo does NOT require rollbar for majority of cars (except those in the Modified or Prepared classes)
Time Trials does require more safety equipment than what comes standard from showroom, manufacturer's cars

Solo is cheaper to compete (cheaper being a relative term)
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No such thing as Solo 1 and Solo 2 anymore, it is just called Solo now. And you have them backwards, Solo 1 was on the race track with timming, Solo 2 was cones.

Today Solo is all autocross under SCCA. PDX is open track with no timing. Time Trial is open track with timing.
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Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:No such thing as Solo 1 and Solo 2 anymore, it is just called Solo now. And you have them backwards, Solo 1 was on the race track with timming, Solo 2 was cones.

Today Solo is all autocross under SCCA. PDX is open track with no timing. Time Trial is open track with timing.
Looks like we werre typing at the same time Jason :)
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Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:No such thing as Solo 1 and Solo 2 anymore, it is just called Solo now. And you have them backwards, Solo 1 was on the race track with timming, Solo 2 was cones.
Ok, AutoCross= Solo ( Formmally know as Solo 2 )
Road Course would been refered to as Solo 1.

OK so why did you guys pick SOLO? racing through the cones vs racing on a course?
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Cam Correa wrote:OK so why did you guys pick SOLO? racing through the cones vs racing on a course?
Because for some it's the entry level into "racing" and it's the cheapest. And then you realize that you really have no CLUE as how to drive. Then once you've become experienced in Solo racing, your skills can then help you when you move up to "road racing" (i.e. Ryan Buetzer, Jeff Altenburg, Randy Pobst, Shauna Marinus, Paul Bonaccorsi). Whereas drivers that start out as "road racers" typically aren't good autocrossers right off the bat.
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Giovanni Jaramillo wrote:I think you may have it backwards:

Solo 2 is now referred as simply "Solo"
Solo 1 is now referred to as "Time Trials" (formerly Hill Climbing).
Solo 1 was time trials and hill climbs. We don't have any hill climbs, at least that I've heard of, in most of the West. Probably because closing some roads just isn't feasible because there's no alternate route. Lots of them back East.
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Cam Correa wrote:
Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:No such thing as Solo 1 and Solo 2 anymore, it is just called Solo now. And you have them backwards, Solo 1 was on the race track with timming, Solo 2 was cones.
Ok, AutoCross= Solo ( Formmally know as Solo 2 )
Road Course would been refered to as Solo 1.

OK so why did you guys pick SOLO? racing through the cones vs racing on a course?
Another reason many pick it over time trials and track days is that they race their daily drivers. Not much fun having the car you need to get to work on Monday get T-boned on Sunday. :shock:

I'll bet the guy who was putting Solo down couldn't stand being beaten on scratch time by some car he considers worthless, nor could he figure out how to drive fast enough to have fun. :mrt:
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dude...imagine how awesome we'd be if we ran a hill climb up GMR or palomar.

i'm not sure how many tow trucks and ambulances we could get up there though.
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Marshall Grice wrote:dude...imagine how awesome we'd be if we ran a hill climb up GMR or palomar.

i'm not sure how many tow trucks and ambulances we could get up there though.
GMR is easily closeable (making up words, go!) too.. it's already closed half the year anyways.
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NICE new Avatar Cam! You're really getting into the spirit quickly! :lol:
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we'd have every single street racer in the LA basin waiting in line. Talk about increasing membership.
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People (specially guys that say they like track days more than autocross) confuse driving events with racing. They like to think they are racing. Yeah....

Autocross- The sport is different even if it shares some similarities. There is of course the element of car set up. But autocrossing is all about precision, driving the correct line, pushing the car to be at 10/10ths for the entire run. It is about being able to quickly memorize (not me!) or learn a course and getting it done in three runs. That is a skill in itself. Many people will eventually figure out the lines after 30 runs, but on your first run? When you have two dirty runs and now you absolutely have to get it done in one run? To be within inches of the cones at 60+mph and not make one mistake. Not one bobble. To finish that run out of breath. THAT is autocrossing. Relatively cheap, though you can also spend a ton of money. It is also cool that you get results and feedback with known good drivers to see how you are doing.

Time Trials of Solo1 events. Like autocrossing, just a little faster. Not as well subscribed and not many events. More safety requirements. More penalty for getting it wrong. I am going to guess most people have not done this (other than those that did the Lone Pine stuff).

Racing- Wheel to wheel is about being on the wrong line, because that other guy took away your line. It is about driving the same track over and over and driving it well near 10/10ths, but probably slightly less since you may not be on the optimum line. It is about having balls to take that inside line away, and be willing to trade paint to do it. It a step up in safety requirements and there are more risks. I would not wheel to wheel race the Noble. :) But I have done it with karts. Can be very expensive. You also get results and feedback compared to other drivers.

Driving events. Often what is used as a point of comparison to autocrosss. More seat time, as in 2-3 20 minute sessions or more in one day. More penalty for messing up again. But with limited passing (depending on the organizers) you can drive your own line. Most people should not (and do not) attempt to drive 10/10ths in their street cars. You run on the same course over and over. There is no winner. But then there is no loser either. You just keep driving. You can drive 50 laps and mess up 49 of them and claim the one good one as your lap time. Yay! Good for learning car control, but then so it autocross. Can be a little more expensive each day. Results, depends if you keep track. Often you run against drivers that are not as good, so you can claim you are faster than a Ferarri... so there is that.


Each has its own merits. For me, wheel to wheel kicks ass... but I need a car to do it in and a large budget. I have neither. I like the idea of time trials, or time attack. Track days, I get bored.
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Marshall Grice wrote:we'd have every single street racer in the LA basin waiting in line. Talk about increasing membership.
the idea of running GMR, knowing that you can cross the double yellow, and knowing there's no dirt on the road, has a lot of appeal..
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Marshall Grice wrote:we'd have every single street racer in the LA basin waiting in line. Talk about increasing membership.
And quite possibly watch that membership go down, literally, all in one event.

GMR is definitely a road that could be used because it's closed so often. There does have to be a way for cars to get back to the event site.
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Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
Marshall Grice wrote:we'd have every single street racer in the LA basin waiting in line. Talk about increasing membership.
And quite possibly watch that membership go down, literally, all in one event.

GMR is definitely a road that could be used because it's closed so often. There does have to be a way for cars to get back to the event site.
you do it like normal hill climbs. everyone starts at the bottom and your run group goes to the top and stays there. inbetween run groups the cars come back down. or vise versa
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Mako Koiwai wrote:NICE new Avatar Cam! You're really getting into the spirit quickly! :lol:
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Marshall Grice wrote:
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:
Marshall Grice wrote:we'd have every single street racer in the LA basin waiting in line. Talk about increasing membership.
And quite possibly watch that membership go down, literally, all in one event.

GMR is definitely a road that could be used because it's closed so often. There does have to be a way for cars to get back to the event site.
you do it like normal hill climbs. everyone starts at the bottom and your run group goes to the top and stays there. inbetween run groups the cars come back down. or vise versa
Ha! That's too simple. :D Seriously, the course doesn't have to be all that long, half a mile of the right section of road could be awesome.
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Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Ha! That's too simple. :D Seriously, the course doesn't have to be all that long, half a mile of the right section of road could be awesome.
A-B, stage 1, B-C, staging area, C-D, stage 2.. :)

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Jeff Shyu wrote:
Bob Beamesderfer wrote:Ha! That's too simple. :D Seriously, the course doesn't have to be all that long, half a mile of the right section of road could be awesome.
A-B, stage 1, B-C, staging area, C-D, stage 2.. :)

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Very good. And if the road is close all the way to where GMR and Glendora Ridge Road split, there'd be room to hold cars until return time. Maybe have a barbecue up there.
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brings back memories.

this was where i first "dropped" my bike. Turns out, when you try to take on the mountain, the mountain always wins... :cry:

edit: i won't link where aaron dropped his bike on GMR.. he'd probably get mad at me.. :lol:
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The Mt. Lemmon Highway north of Tuscon would work really well. Closing it on a weekend day would piss off a couple of rock climbers, but tough.

Of course, 20 years after I last rock climbed there, Google maps shows side roads indicative of development.
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Great Clips! Image
I would hate to spin out while at speed on that course though.
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Cam Correa wrote:
Great Clips! Image
I would hate to spin out while at speed on that course though.
Hill climbs aren't for the uncertain and faint of heart, even if they're not Pikes Peak.
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