Really good NACAR race lightly attended

[Don Salyers]

Pay attention. That was more cheating, and also there were no other cars wrecked in that incident. Again you're comparing apples to oranges. You do not see (or rarely see) one F1 car take out 10 in one lap. NASCAR it's like every other race.

You can't take out 10 F1 cars after the first lap----by the 3rd lap about 10 of the cars are at least 1 lap down..... }:) }:)

Gio, I love everthing about Formula 1, except the racing and polical shenanigans. The cars are unbelievable, the drivers are unique, the venues are fantastic, but then they start the engines and find a way to hold a 180 mph parade......

Don

[Giovanni Jaramillo]

Pay attention. That was more cheating, and also there were no other cars wrecked in that incident. Again you're comparing apples to oranges. You do not see (or rarely see) one F1 car take out 10 in one lap. NASCAR it's like every other race.

You can't take out 10 F1 cars after the first lap----by the 3rd lap about 10 of the cars are at least 1 lap down..... }:) }:)

This is true and that comes down to reliability and the team, thus the "constructor's championship" can be won by a different team than the driver's championship. Especially some of the new teams that break down halfway through the race.

Gio, I love everthing about Formula 1, except the racing and polical shenanigans. The cars are unbelievable, the drivers are unique, the venues are fantastic, but then they start the engines and find a way to hold a 180 mph parade......

Don

Agreed, but the racing has gotten better over the last few years with the rules changes and the driver's championship is not decided at the mid-point of the season when Ferrari dominated, and you have 5 drivers with a chance, not 1. Yet the political b.s. is just that..b.s. But there's drama in NASCAR too. Just F1 is much higher stakes. And also the "new" cookie-cutter tracks also don't help. Only the classics like Spa, Monza, Sukuza, Silverstone, Interlagos, and even Montreal, give you good races.

[Rick Brown]

The list of racing to watch is missing some of the more exiting stuff: MotoGP. The F1 of super bikes. There can be some very exciting racing with passing back and forth from turn to turn. And where else do you see someone crash out, pick up the bike and get back in the race?

[Jeff Shyu]

The list of racing to watch is missing some of the more exiting stuff: MotoGP. The F1 of super bikes. There can be some very exciting racing with passing back and forth from turn to turn. And where else do you see someone crash out, pick up the bike and get back in the race?

motoGP has a lot of strategy involved. the lead can change hands so quickly given how big of a deal draft can be.

you almost don't want to be in the lead on the final lap if the 2nd place rider is close behind.

[Bill Schenker]

The list of racing to watch is missing some of the more exiting stuff: MotoGP. The F1 of super bikes. There can be some very exciting racing with passing back and forth from turn to turn. And where else do you see someone crash out, pick up the bike and get back in the race?

MotoGP is insane!!!! Only thing crazier on this planet is side car racing. Those guys in the "side car" have death wishes. The very first time I saw it on EuroSport (so much cooler than ESPN here) a side car rider died. Vehicle started tank slapping and he got thrown right into the Armco.

Now Gio: THAT'S a man's man Trunk Monkey!!!

[Jeff Shyu]

MotoGP kinda exemplifies the "There's something not quite right in your brain" aspect that I associate with professional drivers, especially rally, F1, and motoGP guys.

it's all fine and dandy when you're operating on the ragged edge, but it's something else completely when you crash, and then have to hop right back in (assuming the crash didn't turn you FUBAR), and go 10/10 around the SAME corner you just crashed at.

it's a huge mental block for me while riding. I know I get scared of a specific corner even if i didn't actually crash. it could be as simple as the rear letting loose and feeling like i barely caught it with my knee.

[Giovanni Jaramillo]

The list of racing to watch is missing some of the more exiting stuff: MotoGP. The F1 of super bikes. There can be some very exciting racing with passing back and forth from turn to turn. And where else do you see someone crash out, pick up the bike and get back in the race?

That's 2-wheels....where it's WAY more exciting! I mean like Jeff said, the leader on the final lap might as well pull over because I've seen the leader lose the race on the final turn on the final lap many many times. Yes MotoGP is the Formula 1 of motorcycles. Then you have WSBK (World Super Bikes) and then AMA (which is I guess the Grand-AM or ALMS of bikes here in America).

Motorcycle riders are a bit "touched" in the head ;) And way braver. But also have a term in the medical community....."organ donors". Sad but true.

[Steve Ekstrand]

So if that is all NASCAR can bring to AutoClub Speedway, what is the future of the track?

[Mako Koiwai]

"Our" SD AX'er Tom Shepherd use to race bikes ... yah, he says there's nothing in AX'ing that scares him

[Mako Koiwai]

what is the future of the track?

SCCA Solo Nationals, when they finally start alternating between West and East coast ... like the Canadians do it. OK, they can do Lincoln every other year.

[Don Salyers]

[quote="Steve Ekstrand"]So if that is all NASCAR can bring to AutoClub Speedway, what is the future of the track?[/quote

Then next year they are not bringing it but once and not even during the chase-----I'm sure that somewhere around 70 to 80 thou for a race (so noted by the TV announcers Sunday) would put enough money in the coffers to keep the doors open. But under that, could they have a Fontana Mills next to the dump??

Don

[Arthur Grant]

Nice Photos! ... when are you going to treat us AX'ers with your photo talents?!

I am too busy trying to learn how to drive.

[Arthur Grant]

One word: "Digger." That was the end of NASCAR for me.

Ahhh, I have digger t-shirt, digger racing jacket. I like digger.

[Arthur Grant]

It's been only a year or two since that incident in Singapore where Alonso's teammate crashed on purpose to bring out the Safety Car. Goodbye Briatore!

Pay attention. That was more cheating, and also there were no other cars wrecked in that incident. Again you're comparing apples to oranges. You do not see (or rarely see) one F1 car take out 10 in one lap. NASCAR it's like every other race.

Thats because you never see 10 F-1 cars anywhere near each other 2 laps after the start. And you see a lot of F-1 cars destroyed at the start of races. You know how how much you concentrate on getting a good run a few 10ths of a second shaved here or there. NASCAR has the top 10 cars less than 1/2 a second from each other for more that 200 laps. Imagine the concentration not to mention modifying and working the car for 3 + hours. When you finish with 30 cars on the lead lap with most within 15 seconds of each other that requires concentration. in F-1 after lap 10 your lucky to see two cars within aerodynamic distance of each other.

By the way NASCAR does run road course which is very entertaining.

In the U.S. I think the best racing currently available is ALMS, particularly GT2, but I love sports cars. NASCAR is actually very good, then ROLEX (which is owned by NASCAR), Indy Car, and then I really love VARA but you don't see vintage racing on tv.

F-1 is interesting and this year is more competitive than most but frequently it becomes like watching project runway, interesting sniping, pretty models running around the course, and someone has to win.

Shumi will be fine, he came back as much to help his long time engineer develop a car which they have done twice before as to win. Watch next year.

[Arthur Grant]

The reason one car takes out so many in Nascar racing is because IT IS CLOSE RACING!

10 car wrecks is not racing.

Here's Jody Schecker taking out a good part of the F1 field at the '73 English GP at Silverstone when he spun, coming out of the first corner. Such cool cars!

Again you proved my point...1973??

Ok how about multi car crash at Monico GP2 on the F-1 weekend 2010. http://wn.com/F1__Crash_Monza_2010" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

F1 Japanese GP Suzuka 2010 First Corner Crash Felipe Massa, Hulkenberg and Petrov Crash F1 GP Crash
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F1 Japanese GP 2010 Nico Rosberg Crash - Japan GP Big F1 Crash Nico Rosberg Loses Tyre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gmHd5c0 ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Steve Ekstrand]

I like the NASCAR Road races... Just so ridiculous. But cool to see big generic bricks sliding around. Get to see which of those guys can really drive.

[Thomas Smith]

"Our" SD AX'er Tom Shepherd use to race bikes ... yah, he says there's nothing in AX'ing that scares him

Next time you see Bob Endicott ask him why he stopped racing bikes and switched to racing cars....

[Steve Ekstrand]

"Our" SD AX'er Tom Shepherd use to race bikes ... yah, he says there's nothing in AX'ing that scares him

Next time you see Bob Endicott ask him why he stopped racing bikes and switched to racing cars....

Not like Bob's career in cars has been...uh... "uneventful".

[Arthur Grant]

I like the NASCAR Road races... Just so ridiculous. But cool to see big generic bricks sliding around. Get to see which of those guys can really drive.

While generic except for the engine and stickers. But what is amazing is that experienced road racers more often than not don't win when the race NASCAR. I believe the series races 4 road courses a year. Juan Pablo Montoya has 2 wins? Sam Hornish Jr. none, Boris Said none, Scott Pruett none, a bunch of others have crossed over. Interestingly a number of the NASCAR boys from the late Dale Sr. to Jimmy Johnson regularly show up running sports car races such as the Daytona 24hrs. Rather successfully I might add.

I don't expect to convert you to a fan, but the more you know about the series the more fun it is. Of course a whole day spent hanging out in 110 degree heat to run 4 sub 60' second laps makes sense to a lot of people as well right? How hard can it be to drive around cones like a high school driving exercise? Lets see 1st and 2nd place in Novice right now is separated by .004 sec.

[Steve Ekstrand]

I'm not sure about the NASCRAP versus Autox comparison. I like Autox. I get to drive.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

Pay attention. That was more cheating, and also there were no other cars wrecked in that incident. Again you're comparing apples to oranges. You do not see (or rarely see) one F1 car take out 10 in one lap. NASCAR it's like every other race.

You can't take out 10 F1 cars after the first lap----by the 3rd lap about 10 of the cars are at least 1 lap down..... }:) }:)

Gio, I love everthing about Formula 1, except the racing and polical shenanigans. The cars are unbelievable, the drivers are unique, the venues are fantastic, but then they start the engines and find a way to hold a 180 mph parade......

Don

The Suzuka race wasn't all parade.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

I like the NASCAR Road races... Just so ridiculous. But cool to see big generic bricks sliding around. Get to see which of those guys can really drive.

While generic except for the engine and stickers. But what is amazing is that experienced road racers more often than not don't win when the race NASCAR. I believe the series races 4 road courses a year. Juan Pablo Montoya has 2 wins? Sam Hornish Jr. none, Boris Said none, Scott Pruett none, a bunch of others have crossed over. Interestingly a number of the NASCAR boys from the late Dale Sr. to Jimmy Johnson regularly show up running sports car races such as the Daytona 24hrs. Rather successfully I might add.

Really? When did Dale Sr. win the 24 Hours of Daytona? or Sebring? Never is the answer.

I'll take sports car racing over any kind of oval.

[Mako Koiwai]

Successfully doesn't necessarily have to mean wins. But who can forget Foyt driving at LeMans!

[Don Salyers]

Pay attention. That was more cheating, and also there were no other cars wrecked in that incident. Again you're comparing apples to oranges. You do not see (or rarely see) one F1 car take out 10 in one lap. NASCAR it's like every other race.

You can't take out 10 F1 cars after the first lap----by the 3rd lap about 10 of the cars are at least 1 lap down..... }:) }:)

Gio, I love everthing about Formula 1, except the racing and polical shenanigans. The cars are unbelievable, the drivers are unique, the venues are fantastic, but then they start the engines and find a way to hold a 180 mph parade......

Don

The Suzuka race wasn't all parade.

After the first lap it basically was a parade, other than pits, problems or Kobayashi---

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... popup.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can count only 9 passes on the track for the whole race.

Don

[Jeff Shyu]

I can count only 9 passes on the track for the whole race.

This is a crude comparison, but it kinda gets the point across.

F1 is like chess, NASCAR is like checkers.

when you can go into a corner, trading paint, and basically come out of the corner 4 wide with little to no damage, of course you'll see a lot of passing.
if, however, you touch another car, and your race is basically over, you tend to be much more careful about where, when, and how you make your pass.

Chess may not have the constant action of "KING ME!", but i appreciate the back and forth, the positioning, and planning.

You just don't get that sort of complexity in NASCAR.

this is actually why I don't like the no-fuel-up change in F1, it really took a big chunk of the strategy out of the race. I'm probably amongst the minority on that view though..