Post Car Classing Help Questions Here!

[John Stimson]

Coilovers woul place you in the Street Prepared category. The MR2 Turbo used to be in ASP, and I don't remember if it got moved to BSP this year. Scca.com has a downloadable copy of the rule book in the "cars & rules" heading of the Solo area. You want to look in Appendix A under Street Prepared.

[Robert Puertas]

Coilovers woul place you in the Street Prepared category. The MR2 Turbo used to be in ASP, and I don't remember if it got moved to BSP this year. Scca.com has a downloadable copy of the rule book in the "cars & rules" heading of the Solo area. You want to look in Appendix A under Street Prepared.

John is correct, the mods you mentioned probably put you in BSP.
Unless you still have the stock springs, on the coilovers, and the exhaust is cat-back only... in which case, it might still be C-Stock legal.

Both of those classes allow dot-R compounds like Hoosier A6s or Kumho 710s. However, we have a cool local class called CST which allows pretty much anything on street tires 140 tread wear rating or higher which is also a good fit for you.

However, Arthur Grant has probably already sent you a couple PMs and a dozen roses in an attempt to get you to run BSP with him.

[Kris Cho]

Coilovers woul place you in the Street Prepared category. The MR2 Turbo used to be in ASP, and I don't remember if it got moved to BSP this year. Scca.com has a downloadable copy of the rule book in the "cars & rules" heading of the Solo area. You want to look in Appendix A under Street Prepared.

John is correct, the mods you mentioned probably put you in BSP.
Unless you still have the stock springs, on the coilovers, and the exhaust is cat-back only... in which case, it might still be C-Stock legal.

Both of those classes allow dot-R compounds like Hoosier A6s or Kumho 710s. However, we have a cool local class called CST which allows pretty much anything on street tires 140 tread wear rating or higher which is also a good fit for you.

However, Arthur Grant has probably already sent you a couple PMs and a dozen roses in an attempt to get you to run BSP with him.

That's why i'm in BSP novice lol

[Allen Lim]

After a 2 year hiatus, I'm back at a solo event, yay! Anyways, I've got a quick question from a friend of mine. He's got a 2007 Civic coupe with a 16x6.5 stock rim size and a 205/55-16 stock tire size. He's now using 2004 Civic Si rims whch are also 16x6.5 and a 225/50-16 tire size. Is there any way he can stay in HS?

Also, is there a maximum amount of times you can run in Novice class? I've lost count to how many times I've done autocross... so yeah. Anyways, thanks.

[Kurt Rahn]

After a 2 year hiatus, I'm back at a solo event, yay! Anyways, I've got a quick question from a friend of mine. He's got a 2007 Civic coupe with a 16x6.5 stock rim size and a 205/55-16 stock tire size. He's now using 2004 Civic Si rims whch are also 16x6.5 and a 225/50-16 tire size. Is there any way he can stay in HS?

As far as tire size, any tire you can squeeze on the stock-sized rim is legal. Since the width and diameter of the wheels are both identical, the only other question is offset. If it's within +/- .25" of the stock spec of his car's year, model and trim level he's good to go.

[Allen Lim]

After a 2 year hiatus, I'm back at a solo event, yay! Anyways, I've got a quick question from a friend of mine. He's got a 2007 Civic coupe with a 16x6.5 stock rim size and a 205/55-16 stock tire size. He's now using 2004 Civic Si rims whch are also 16x6.5 and a 225/50-16 tire size. Is there any way he can stay in HS?

As far as tire size, any tire you can squeeze on the stock-sized rim is legal. Since the width and diameter of the wheels are both identical, the only other question is offset. If it's within +/- .25" of the stock spec of his car's year, model and trim level he's good to go.

Awesome! Thanks.

[Fred Pinczuk]

I am new to SoCal, moved to Redondo and hope to get back into some competition. I raced my DSP prepared Fiat X1/9 three seasons in Atlanta Club. Looking at finishing the turbo install and at least do a couple of laps in August. What would be my next class? Would it be Prepared or Modified? and if so, how many locals are running in that class?

Thanks

[Robert Puertas]

I am moving to Redondo and hope to get back into some competition. I raced my DSP prepared Fiat X1/9 three seasons in Atlanta Club. Looking at finishing the turbo install and at least do a couple of laps in August. What would be my next class? Would it be unlimited and if so, how many locals are running in that class?

Thanks

A DSP X1/9 with a turbo would be in SSM or our local catch all CSM. If you want to run street tires (140 TW), you can run CST, which is basically CSM on street tires...
CST is pretty popular.

[Fred Pinczuk]

I am moving to Redondo and hope to get back into some competition. I raced my DSP prepared Fiat X1/9 three seasons in Atlanta Club. Looking at finishing the turbo install and at least do a couple of laps in August. What would be my next class? Would it be unlimited and if so, how many locals are running in that class?

Thanks

A DSP X1/9 with a turbo would be in SSM or our local catch all CSM. If you want to run street tires (140 TW), you can run CST, which is basically CSM on street tires...
CST is pretty popular.

Thanks Robert,

What are the typical cars in CST? And (I know I need to dig into the rule book) what tires sizes are allowed in CST? Could I keep my current rims but simply street tires?

Thanks for the reply

[Q V]

Thanks Robert,

What are the typical cars in CST? And (I know I need to dig into the rule book) what tires sizes are allowed in CST? Could I keep my current rims but simply street tires?

Thanks for the reply

If you check out the latest results, you will see the cars that normally run: 240sx's, Civics, Corvettes, Porsches, etc.

The only requirement for CST is that the car is "capable" of being registered for highway use in California (and 140 treadwear+ street tires).

[Don Salyers]

Take your pick from the group of classes that we have locally that really do not have any rules:

CSM: whatever you got on R-Dot tires (probably fits your idea of unlimited).
CST: Whatever you got on Street tires (probably fits your idea of unlimited).
Historic: pick a class (DSP, GP, DM, EM).

SCCA classes:
DSP without the turbo
GP without the turbo
SSM with turbo
XP with turbo (I think)
EM with turbo if the X1/9 engine is larger than 1430cc in stock config....

Don

[Fred Pinczuk]

Take your pick from the group of classes that we have locally that really do not have any rules:

CSM: whatever you got on R-Dot tires (probably fits your idea of unlimited).
CST: Whatever you got on Street tires (probably fits your idea of unlimited).
Historic: pick a class (DSP, GP, DM, EM).

SCCA classes:
DSP without the turbo
GP without the turbo
SSM with turbo
XP with turbo (I think)
EM with turbo if the X1/9 engine is larger than 1430cc in stock config....

Don

MMmm. The engine is 1490cc in stock config. EM maybe a good fit. Would like to stick within a SCCA Class if possible. I am still learning to navigate through the website. See if I can find the race results and such.

Thanks

[Fred Pinczuk]

"capable" of being registered for highway use in California (and 140 treadwear+ street tires)

Is Capable a very loose term, My Fiat has zero emissions, and not likely to make it down the street for more than 1 miles before being pulled over. She has become a trailer queen.

[Q V]

You'll be fine.

Event results can be found if you go back to "Board Index", then click on "Event Results"; as a note, this is only available after you are logged in.

[KJ Christopher]

I am new to SoCal, moved to Redondo and hope to get back into some competition. I raced my DSP prepared Fiat X1/9 three seasons in Atlanta Club. Looking at finishing the turbo install and at least do a couple of laps in August. What would be my next class? Would it be Prepared or Modified? and if so, how many locals are running in that class?

Thanks

Where in Redondo? I'm in Hollywood Riviera. Bunch of us in South Bay.

[Byron Goodman]

So, I have a few races, and I am getting more comfortable with driving my car - but I started to think about how I classed myself, and based upon event results, I wonder if I have classed myself incorrectly.

I am running a bone-stock 2007 Honda S2000, with street tires. I have classed myself as BS Novice.

Is it possible to classify myself as SK1 Novice? Based upon results I see of the S2000s running in SK1, I am giving up about a second from PAX.

Thanks!
-Byron

[Rick Brown]

So, I have a few races, and I am getting more comfortable with driving my car - but I started to think about how I classed myself, and based upon event results, I wonder if I have classed myself incorrectly.

I am running a bone-stock 2007 Honda S2000, with street tires. I have classed myself as BS Novice.

Is it possible to classify myself as SK1 Novice? Based upon results I see of the S2000s running in SK1, I am giving up about a second from PAX.

Thanks!
-Byron

You can't do Novice SK1 BS because NOV and SK1 are both indexed classes and our software can't double index. So you can be either NOV BS or SK1BS.

[Cam Correa]

Wouldn't "NOVICE" be based on Driver experience vs anything car related?

I've had guys drive my car that are experienced & blow me out of the water with how fast they can drive it, yet my skill levels suck compared to them being I've never raced before..
Well I did one race in my beater '85 Mustang back in 2008 & never before or since raced it.

These guys that know how to drive a race can jump in just about any car & drive it faster than people like me, That are Novice, "New to this" & so I don't see how the Cars model or prep can apply to it.

Seems if I understand things correctly ( & I'm not sure I do ) That when running novice its not the car class so much, Right?

Dont I run against BS & CST & etc while in Novice being I'm running STS?

I'm the only guy in STS at the last two events.

[KJ Christopher]

Seems if I understand things correctly ( & I'm not sure I do ) That when running novice its not the car class so much, Right?

Novice is a compilation group that pulls several classes together and lets them compete on an index. So is our local PAX group and the SK1/SK2 groups.

The software we use can only have one compilation per entry. Recall when you select your class (AS/BS/STS), there is another drop down you can select from (PAX/SK1/SK2/NOVICE). The system can't have a third drop down box, so you must pick from one of the available options.

[Q V]

Seems if I understand things correctly ( & I'm not sure I do ) That when running novice its not the car class so much, Right?

Novice is a compilation group that pulls several classes together and lets them compete on an index. So is our local PAX group and the SK1/SK2 groups.

The software we use can only have one compilation per entry. Recall when you select your class (AS/BS/STS), there is another drop down you can select from (PAX/SK1/SK2/NOVICE). The system can't have a third drop down box, so you must pick from one of the available options.

I don't think we need to make the system any more complicated, but is that the main reason we have for not allowing something like NOV & SK1?

The second drop down can always contain something like (PAX/SK1/SK2/NOV/SK1NOV/SK2NOV/etc)... will be more work to compile points, but won't be limited by the software...

[Byron Goodman]

Wouldn't "NOVICE" be based on Driver experience vs anything car related?

Cam, as we get better towards the end of the year, the prep levels of our cars (should) start to matter more.

My concern is the 15 or so points that I could potentially earn if the first place car is in a faster class, or the additional points that faster class could earn if I place first. I guess I am just a points fiend....

Overall, I think the explanation that everyone has given seems fair enough. I just need to make sure I get 100 points per event and if won't matter


-B

[Matt Cipolla]

I just need to make sure I get 100 points per event and if won't matter

And you did that today...Congrats! But I will beat you again eventually! Haha

[Jayson Woodruff]

I am moving to Redondo and hope to get back into some competition. I raced my DSP prepared Fiat X1/9 three seasons in Atlanta Club. Looking at finishing the turbo install and at least do a couple of laps in August. What would be my next class? Would it be unlimited and if so, how many locals are running in that class?

A DSP X1/9 with a turbo would be in SSM ...

X 1/9's are pretty light. You might want to check SSM's minimum weight (based on displacement and induction type).

Jay W

[John Stimson]

I don't think we need to make the system any more complicated, but is that the main reason we have for not allowing something like NOV & SK1?

Don't the novices run on street tires anyway? Adding "SK' to "Novice" doesn't add any meaning.

[KJ Christopher]

I don't think we need to make the system any more complicated, but is that the main reason we have for not allowing something like NOV & SK1?

Don't the novices run on street tires anyway? Adding "SK' to "Novice" doesn't add any meaning.

No meaning, but a better indexed time.

(Novice's don't always come out of stock classes and all running street tires, so you can't say it s proportionally the same.)