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Jason Rhoades wrote: Car is a little loose for SD but should be good at ET.

Exactly what I am thinking for the MR2. A bit loose and hard to drive at Qualcomm, but should be fine for El Toro. I just need to get in the groove of making changes for different venues...as in adjusting the toe.

Its funny.... Qualcomm is Jason and Randy's home court, but their cars work better at El Toro.
My home court is El Toro, but my car works better at Qualcomm.


Hmmmmm....

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Its funny.... Qualcomm is Jason and Randy's home court, but their cars work better at El Toro.
My home court is El Toro, but my car works better at Qualcomm.


Hmmmmm....

I have 20 years of history of never doing well at Qualcomm. My style of driving (Holy Crap Style) works better with more grip. I have always done well at Atwater, Stapleton, Wendover, Forbes. I have never done well at Norton, Qualcomm, Heartland. See the trend?

Qualcomm seems to be getting worse at less grip and it means I really need to work on being smooth. I am not.

My fast run on Saturday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ajyxzh3l4 (run, KJ, run!)

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Its funny.... Qualcomm is Jason and Randy's home court, but their cars work better at El Toro.
My home court is El Toro, but my car works better at Qualcomm.


Hmmmmm....

I don't really care how my car does in San Diego. I do care about how it does at El Toro, Wendover, and Lincoln, all of which have similar, and vastly elevated compared to SD, grip levels.

Any of you guys have a link to the final results?

thanks,

Steve Abbott wrote:Any of you guys have a link to the final results?

thanks,

I'm waiting for them to be posted, else I would've put them up ages ago. And the way they post results via so many links an in PDF is atrocious. Bad programming is putting it "midly/kindly"

Steve Abbott wrote:Any of you guys have a link to the final results?

thanks,

http://www.scca.com/documents/resultfiles/results15.pdf

PAX results here:

http://sccaforums.com/forums/storage/16 ... .Final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Leonard Cachola wrote:

Steve Abbott wrote:Any of you guys have a link to the final results?

thanks,

http://www.scca.com/documents/resultfiles/results15.pdf

PAX results here:

http://sccaforums.com/forums/storage/16 ... .Final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ok thanks Leonard. I'll put these links in my thread for the results.

Using the proper FP pax (instead of XP) Toby moves up to #3 in Pax overall.
Cool.

Does Katy :heyes: move up using an SM pax over the SSM?


Here's HD video of my 3rd run on Sunday... Moved up from 13th to 7th... With that darn Steve O'Blenes knocking me out of the last trophy spot on the last run of the class. Second time in three years that's happened to me. Paxed 35th on Sunday. :king: Doesn't seem like much to be excited about. But the names ahead and the Jackets BEHIND do make me smile a bit. Overall results not so good. Saturday was just pathetic. Thanks to Will for all his help on the car and the driving. :gpower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrMI5mrzGYA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Steve Ekstrand wrote:Does Katy :heyes: move up using an SM pax over the SSM?

Yep!

Up to 17th - just ahead of Andy McKee and right behind Jason Uyeda

Me on sunday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S17lxI1XtpU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My two runs:

Saturday: http://vimeo.com/10888455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sunday: http://vimeo.com/10888635" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My two fast clean runs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCuCH0Fg3-Y

Will Kalman wrote:My fast run on Saturday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ajyxzh3l4 (run, KJ, run!)

Hmmm I think I need to get closer to the cones...I think I was on the gas for longer in more spots, but took up too much room doing so. I wonder what the data looks like? Jaime Mendoza took data on my car Sat. and will post it on Racingcharts.com it would be interesting to compare.

How bad are the timing and scoring issues.... 3 of my 6 runs are wrong in the final published results. Nothing that matters, but still! And one of the runs had to be fixed at the event. So, originally 4 of the 6 were wrong. Ouch. Not blaming or complaining, but.... In at least two of my runs, I think the issue isn't with the trailer but the course workers. Second time now at the SD Tour I've been given a DNF at the finish. First time was for center punching the last slalom cone. Radio operator didn't think it was fair I was so far offline so he considered it a DNF. Yes, really. This event I re-entered the course after a spin two cones back of where I left the course because it was the fastest and easiest way back. Don't really care, just wish we could get some more consistent course work at a national event. Some day it might matter.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:How bad are the timing and scoring issues.... 3 of my 6 runs are wrong in the final published results. Nothing that matters, but still! And one of the runs had to be fixed at the event. So, originally 4 of the 6 were wrong. Ouch. Not blaming or complaining, but.... In at least two of my runs, I think the issue isn't with the trailer but the course workers. Second time now at the SD Tour I've been given a DNF at the finish. First time was for center punching the last slalom cone. Radio operator didn't think it was fair I was so far offline so he considered it a DNF. Yes, really. This event I re-entered the course after a spin two cones back of where I left the course because it was the fastest and easiest way back. Don't really care, just wish we could get some more consistent course work at a national event. Some day it might matter.

I just called Nancy Downing about the accuracy of the results for myself.
I left on Sunday early with myself being in 3rd place overall and currently the results are showing me now in 4th?

What was I announced during the trophies place wise?? Anyone remember?

Nancy is calling the local folks to see what the the real state of affairs the results are in.

Stay tuned for my response after I get a call back.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:How bad are the timing and scoring issues.... 3 of my 6 runs are wrong in the final published results. Nothing that matters, but still! And one of the runs had to be fixed at the event. So, originally 4 of the 6 were wrong. Ouch. Not blaming or complaining, but.... In at least two of my runs, I think the issue isn't with the trailer but the course workers. Second time now at the SD Tour I've been given a DNF at the finish. First time was for center punching the last slalom cone. Radio operator didn't think it was fair I was so far offline so he considered it a DNF. Yes, really. This event I re-entered the course after a spin two cones back of where I left the course because it was the fastest and easiest way back. Don't really care, just wish we could get some more consistent course work at a national event. Some day it might matter.

I don't have complete knowledge of what happened with the computers. Only that they went down, they couldn't get them up and they had to manually enter a lot of times for the second group...maybe all third runs and some second runs. They were also manually entering times for all of the third group and maybe some of the fourth. This caused a few errors and slowed down results big time.

As a result of this, ST was released from impound before results were out. I think that's the way most competitors want it (instead of being stuck in impound forever), but it's not really up to them anyways, it's up to impound, and we do need to clear the grid for the next group. Really, if there's no protests, then there's no reason we have to keep the cars in impound. Results do usually come quick enough that we might as well keep the cars in impound as it's way easier for the competitors to look at them together, plus that's usually a cool thing for the winners and stuff.

On-top of this, there were several issues with cone calls and course work. I was out on course for part of your group interviewing workers trying to sort some stuff out (not your problem specifically, but Will's prob and a few others). This combined with the above greatly complicated your guys results.

I was aware of there possibly being other timing issues with ST but was also told that the competitors were OK with those issues since they didn't affect the results. Perhaps this was incorrect? I was not directly told by a competitor about any other issues.

We always do what we can but it is also up to the competitors (not placing blame on any of you guys, but the following is good for everyone to know) so keep in mind the following...
- The sweep that proceeds your runs will place radio and course logs in the trailer. If you want to be extra sure that your results for that run are correct go look in the posting trailer. Trusting the announcer or finish slip guy...no bueno.
- If the logs are incorrect and you are still running, inform grid. They will tell timing and/or an Op Steward and we'll try and get it resolved asap so you know before your next run. Also keep in mind rule 7.8 if there's posting problems.
- After the heat is done, impound is in charge so issues should be brought up with them and/or and Op Steward.
- When the last set of Prelim results come out, you have 30 minutes to dispute them. As mentioned above, ideally this happens when you're still in impound which keeps things much simpler.

There are always a few (yes, there were more than that this weekend) cone and timing issues. Almost always they're easy to sort out, so even if they don't affect the results but you don't want them on the results, just let the appropriate party know.

Oh, and in regards to center-punching a slalom cone. That's not the course workers decision (if by, "radio operator" you mean the one at the corner station), the Chief Steward should make that call. Don't ask me about missing slalom cones at Nationals...what is it with you ST guys

And FWIW, I saw you re-enter before the spot you went off so had I been aware that it was marked as a DNF if would've been a quick fix.

Your Friendly Op Steward

Pete Loney wrote:
I just called Nancy Downing about the accuracy of the results for myself.
I left on Sunday early with myself being in 3rd place overall and currently the results are showing me now in 4th?

What was I announced during the trophies place wise?? Anyone remember?

Nancy is calling the local folks to see what the the real state of affairs the results are in.

Stay tuned for my response after I get a call back.

Yes, there were problems with BS but it was my understanding that those got resolved. As I was running 3rd, I don't have all the info although I think it was due to 2nd runs being swapped for on the 42/142 car (my math says you'd still be in 4th with them swapped tho). But I did personally bring out the BS prelims (none of you guys were left in grid at that point). I found the few BS guys I could, showed it to them and then posted them. Announce was reminded several times to announce that they had been posted as at that point you only have 30 minutes to dispute them and I definitely heard a few announcements.

Unfortunately, if you're not there, you can't dispute them..something I always remind ppl who need to leave early (catch flights, etc...).

Jason Uyeda wrote:

Pete Loney wrote:
I just called Nancy Downing about the accuracy of the results for myself.
I left on Sunday early with myself being in 3rd place overall and currently the results are showing me now in 4th?

What was I announced during the trophies place wise?? Anyone remember?

Nancy is calling the local folks to see what the the real state of affairs the results are in.

Stay tuned for my response after I get a call back.

Yes, there were problems with BS but it was my understanding that those got resolved. As I was running 3rd, I don't have all the info although I think it was due to 2nd runs being swapped for on the 42/142 car (my math says you'd still be in 4th with them swapped tho). But I did personally bring out the BS prelims (none of you guys were left in grid at that point). I found the few BS guys I could, showed it to them and then posted them. Announce was reminded several times to announce that they had been posted as at that point you only have 30 minutes to dispute them and I definitely heard a few announcements.

Unfortunately, if you're not there, you can't dispute them..something I always remind ppl who need to leave early (catch flights, etc...).

There was an incorrect time posted in BS that did change the results. It was verified by myself and others who were there in impound.

Steve Ekstrand wrote:How bad are the timing and scoring issues.... 3 of my 6 runs are wrong in the final published results. Nothing that matters, but still! And one of the runs had to be fixed at the event. So, originally 4 of the 6 were wrong. Ouch. Not blaming or complaining, but.... In at least two of my runs, I think the issue isn't with the trailer but the course workers. Second time now at the SD Tour I've been given a DNF at the finish. First time was for center punching the last slalom cone. Radio operator didn't think it was fair I was so far offline so he considered it a DNF. Yes, really. This event I re-entered the course after a spin two cones back of where I left the course because it was the fastest and easiest way back. Don't really care, just wish we could get some more consistent course work at a national event. Some day it might matter.

Steve, you went through the finish lights twice by "fixing' your DNF thereby giving yourself a DNF.

It took me 4 cars to fix the computer after that stunt!

George Schilling wrote:

Jason Uyeda wrote:

Pete Loney wrote:
I just called Nancy Downing about the accuracy of the results for myself.
I left on Sunday early with myself being in 3rd place overall and currently the results are showing me now in 4th?

What was I announced during the trophies place wise?? Anyone remember?

Nancy is calling the local folks to see what the the real state of affairs the results are in.

Stay tuned for my response after I get a call back.

Yes, there were problems with BS but it was my understanding that those got resolved. As I was running 3rd, I don't have all the info although I think it was due to 2nd runs being swapped for on the 42/142 car (my math says you'd still be in 4th with them swapped tho). But I did personally bring out the BS prelims (none of you guys were left in grid at that point). I found the few BS guys I could, showed it to them and then posted them. Announce was reminded several times to announce that they had been posted as at that point you only have 30 minutes to dispute them and I definitely heard a few announcements.

Unfortunately, if you're not there, you can't dispute them..something I always remind ppl who need to leave early (catch flights, etc...).

There was an incorrect time posted in BS that did change the results. It was verified by myself and others who were there in impound.

Hmmm.... There were sheets in the trailer that I checked before I left that showed me in third.
They might have been the early sheets?? I did find two sets of sheets, one more complete than the other.
The one I saw(with me in third) had missing times but had all of our best times. Thus, I assumed it was the hand fixed version and it was final.
I did not find a sheet in the trailer that had me in 4th as of when I left, around 4:00. I wonder where it went.

If there's one thing that hanging out with Tom has taught me, it's that possible the most important thing about having a co-driver is that they can be your advocate while you're running. At almost every point in our sport it's the responsibility of the competitors to advocate for themselves. If a time comes up weird or a cone gets called on a Berry that they don't think they hit, you can bet like clockwork one of them is about to show up at a steward's side to get it fixed.

Especially a big deal at pro's where you can't get out of the car until you're done with your runs.

Pete Loney wrote:
Hmmm.... There were sheets in the trailer that I checked before I left that showed me in third.
They might have been the early sheets?? I did find two sets of sheets, one more complete than the other.
The one I saw(with me in third) had missing times but had all of our best times. Thus, I assumed it was the hand fixed version and it was final.
I did not find a sheet in the trailer that had me in 4th as of when I left, around 4:00. I wonder where it went.

I never saw the corrected sheet. I just know there was a reported error.